Have you even watched Cutler try to throw long balls??? Most scouts seem to think he has the better arm.
Agree that Salsbury is an idoit, but he's a USC idoit. Dbrickashaw ferguson ran a 5.2. I'd be shocked if Reggie beats that. I think they both have strong arms, not Elwayesque, but above average. I do know that Vince can throw a football 65 mph, and apparently that's pretty good. I doubt Salsbury was imagining the zip on his passes. At the infamous qb challenge, even Mark May said that Vince's passes had some surprising zip to it.
he may have the stronger arm.. but you seem to base that statement mostly on.. vince has a great arm.. thus cutler (who I believe you admit to not even seeing much of) must not have as strong an arm.
Kiper \ laughed when Mike & Mike discussed Cutler's Pro Day performance in the "severe wind" as opposed to Vince Young's Pro Day in the bubble. He later said that Cutler was overhyped. Salsbury was on Cowherd laughing at "anonymous" scouts criticizing Vince, saying they must've had their back turn.
gr8-1.. there was severe wind that day.. I know how the weather was in Nashville last Friday considering I am in Nashville.. Kiper calls Cutler overhyped. yet he was the one who started the hype to begin with. It makes no sense to claim Vince has the stronger arm if you've never seen Cutler attempt to throw long,,, I've seen him throw the ball long, he has no problem in that area
the bottom line is everyone picks who to believe based on what they want to believe... I tend to believe Mortenson.. and texas fans seem to discredit him because he isn't backing their guy
Mortensen wasn't even there. So I don't know why people are putting faith in him and "anonymous scout", considering he has been trashing Young for months, - other than that he might fit some pre-conceived notions. The day after the Rose Bowl, he compared him as a QB to Matt Jones, former Arkansas QB and his son's teammate, as well as current NFL WR. Matt Jones college career/nfl potential as a quarterback is about a thousand million times less stellar than that of Vince Young - and if you believe otherwise, you're insane. It's like me comparing Reggie Bush coming out of college to Taurean Henderson. Not the same ballpark.
it doesn't matter that vince's arm is or isn't stronger than cutler's, it just matters that its strong, which was a question mark. teams aren't picking based on arm strength or speed, or footwork, its the total package. arm strength was a question mark (unbelievably) that has been erased. doesn't matter that someone's maybe stronger, it just matters that his is strong. as far as the forty time, vince wasn't even supposed to run and only ran after everyone else was running.
sam.... I shouldn't believe Mort because he wasn't there... Kiper apparently wasn't at Cutler's pro day.. so I guess we shouldn't believe him either when he talks about him being overhyped most texas fans believe mort has been bashing vince.. and most vandy fans think kiper has been bashing cutler.. apparently at the senior bowl he was talking about how cutlers hands were too small for bad weather etc and talking about croyles hands being bigger... then they measure the hands at the combine and the sizes were the same.. he talks about the hand size thing a lot. . then you measure them and the size is as big as some of the others.. and then he has a good pro day in BAD weather with thsoe hands.
pg.. I haven't said Vince's arm isn't strong.. someone said they'd bet that it was stronger than Cutlers.. I just responded to that.. never said it wasn't strong
I don't think anyone is saying he can't throw the long ball, I'm just saying that I think VY has a stronger arm, he threw a 73 yard bomb in the ESPN challege IIRC. I'll admit that I haven't seen much of Cutler. But from all the hype surrounding the Senior Bowl practices, I was very disappointed in his performance in the game.
and I'm saying how can you think he has a stronger arm if you haven't even seen him try to throw long???? that senior bowl game was not a good representation of his skills.. and some of those balls should have been caught
People put way too much stock in the actual senior bowl game.. the scouts etc know that the practices show a lot more than the game does
ok i'm done with this thread.. im going to talk to some of the guys on his team. and see if I can get an exact distance of how far he can thro
This is why i don't understand why he didn't like do the pro day thing where everyone is there and you can easily compare people in the SAME EXACT environment rather than each person in their desired surroundings. Im not saying it's comparing apples to oranges but i think all of us know from elementary school when you do an experient you have to have constants and variables. The variables are the players and the contests should be the location, drills, and environment they are doing the work out. If not then i don't buy half the stuff sometimes becuase all things can be made to look better than they really are. Unfortunantly there is no way you can force them to do the pro day or whatever they all participated in that VY didn't. But it would also put a lot of thigns to rest if they all were in the same place at the same time doing the same drills.
stack.. I agree 100%. Everything would be so much easier if all the players just did the combine and full workouts. I wish the NFL would tell them we are only looking at your 40 times etc if you participate in the drill when all the players are there.. It's silly to compare throwing when the weather conditions are different.. and trust me the weather was a heck of a lot better in a bubble than it was at Jay's pro day last week... And it is silly to compare times when all tracks aren't the same.. and yes I know I said I was done with this thread
No, kiper said Cutler was a top ten pick and he's maintained that. How do you know for sure that Cutler has a stronger arm?
