That's why I said "I am not trying to prove anything TOO specific here". All I did was post the facts. Also, your statement can apply to any QB in the league, not just VY.
I know what you were trying to say. I think VY is a serviceable QB. He has won and you cant take that away from him. He is also currently benefiting from a RB that is doing things that haven't been done in decades. Anyways, looks like he'll be there next season.
They're dumb facts. Clearly you were trying to prove SOMEthing. But your facts can't do that. I can write down the winning percentage of all-time punt return men, but clearly the top guy on that list really doesn't prove anything legitimate. I realize a QB impacts more plays than the return man. But to single out 1 player out of 22 starters or the 45 on the roster and say "here is his winning percentage" just doesn't prove a lot. If you took a combination of the top 3 offensive players and top 3 defensive players, I might say that's a lot closer to proving that a group is a winning group, since a group of top players can together impact a very large portion of a game
Of course not, but how can you ignore what VY does. I mean...ok, everyone says that he has a great RB, but Johnson played with Collins too, and they were 0-6.... Sometimes adding in the dimension that VY does makes even Johnson better...... VY extends drives, he keeps his defense off the field longer......he makes the Titans better, there is zero doubt about this....none. DD
does Schaub not benefit from AJohnson being here? Peyton has Reggie Wayne Brady has Randy Moss Vy has . . uhm . .well . . BRITT! Rocket River
Your entire argument should be removed because you said "I realize a QB impacts more plays than the return man". Whenever people talk about a players winning %, the only position they talk about is QB. The QB is the 1 starter out of 22 starters that is the most important individual position on the team. Yes, it is a team, but when you look at Young's winning %, you cannot deny that he is a winner, and for a QB that is really the only thing that matters.
Those are all reasons for the Titans turnaround. Is it too far fetched to say Collins is to Young as Bush is to Obama?? Folks/teammates responding better once they feel a proper person is in place at the top?? I dont buy the argument that he makes the defense better, but he does keep them better rested. However, the problem wasnt the defense wearing out at the end of games with Collins, they got trounced by 40 against the Jags and that was pretty darned early. You start to see a tired defense wear down late third/early fourth. I truly think there was something in that locker room and KC just had to go.
Peyton has had Wayne, Harrison, Clark, Stokley, Edge, Addai, etc etc Brady has had tons of weapons too. Granted, he took a bunch of nobodies pretty far one season. VY doesn't have that many weapons at his disposal. The Texans haven't had a 100 yard rusher this season. Chris Johnson has done that and more in 6 straight weeks. Just happens to be with VY starting.. Schaub is missing arguably his fav target in OD. No excuses though..the TEAM should be better than 5 and freaking 6.
I think we can all agree that Schaub has the weakest/most inconsistent running game of all 4 of those gentlemen. Again I dont think any QB would take a stud WR over a stud RB(yes Pats have done it by commitee, but the backs and OL are always solid at running the ball). And heck, there is a school of thought that a good security blanket TE is more important than a stud WR. Montana/SYoung > Jones Aikman > Novacek. Elway > Sharpe Favre > Chmura Manning > Clark/Pollard Rivers > Gates Young > Scaife(who missed some games earlier this year) Brees > Schockey Guess who Schaub has been missing the last 3 losses?
I think there are plenty of different ways to run an offense. Brady hasn't really ever had a TE of note. Brees didn't have one last year and was just as good as he is now. Favre doesn't have anyone of note in Minnesota. Running game certainly matters, though Brees doesn't have much of one either. Schaub had a great one last year, but is probably playing better this year. Manning hasn't missed a beat changing from Edge to Addai to this newer, crappier version of Addai. On the flipside, it's clearly helped Brett Favre calm down some. And it makes Vince's life much easier. I think a strong running game most helps the game-manager QB like Chad Henne, letting them throw mostly play action and shorter/easier stuff.
Peyton lost his favorite target and did not miss a beat [the guy he in the record books with as best tandem all time] but If you put those guys . . on another team . . would they look like Byron Russel, Shandon Anderson and Eisley after leaving the Jazz? Addai is looking pretty pedestrian these days too Neither Schaub nor VY are Peyton . . . not yet anyway Neither the Texans nore the Titans are theColts either. Rocket River
OH Stop it. So. Since Schaub has a STUD receiver and VY doesn't all of a sudden it is better have a STUD RB than a STUD WR for a QB. Then Further . . . It is really about the TE Sounds like you stretching my friend Rocket River
No, not at all. What good does having a stud WR do you if you cant get him the ball because he is double covered and have no running game to soften the defense up with? A good QB needs options, and one of most important of those is a solid running game to soften up the defense. Peyton Manning is a different QB when his team can run the ball. Same with Matt Schaub. If its one thing the Titans do well its run the ball. Look at Dan Marino. GREAT QB but never had much of a solid running game and thus ultimately never won the big one. Get him a good running game and he would have easily won a Super Bowl. Look at John Elway. What happened when he got a stud RB?? He had great WRs almost his entire career. Those are two HOF QBs. One got the stud runner, the other didnt. One has all sorts(or had til Manning started passing him) of records, the other has rings.
All that being said, Young can certainly take that next step with a solid threat at WR. He already has the running game and defense. His game today was certainly unexpected on my part. Never thought I would see the Titans put up 500 yards of offense without half of them being on the ground.
Until Today, Young had either been treated by the OC or played as the QB like a game manager QB a la Henne or Dilfer. Today he got to sling it around a little bit. Schaub played well last year, but lost too many games to injury.
Just look at that POCKET PASSING ! <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/m0sY361n9QM&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/m0sY361n9QM&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object> DD
Yes, I believe I have said now several times he had a solid game from a passing perspective, and it wasnt all just cheap screens, quick hitches, and play-action stuff. This is the kinda stuff that will get Young paid. Being able to have the defense focus on stopping the run from him and Johnson, and still being able to move the team up and down.
Besides the incredible plays, a couple of things stood out to me: (1) The looks on the Arizona players faces after losing. I really feel sorry for those guys. (2) Instead of celebrating with his teammates, VY went off and high-fived fans in the stands and played to the crowd. That seemed strange. Why didn't he do the obvious and run into the endzone where Titans players were mobbing each other? It's probably not a big deal.
