With Collins they lose by 59. With VY they'll lose by 75. What does it matter, put the kid in and let him prove he doesnt belong in the NFL.
While I am a UT Vince Young fan, Hoge was EXACTLY right about him. It doesn't matter what Vince was doing at the time because HE WAS RIGHT. Having said that I find it odd that Fisher doesn't or didn't use him more because its obivous the season was lost after going down 34-3 to Jax. Vince can still be a an avg to above avg QB but needs reps and at this point Jeff should just hand the ball to VY and see what the guy has learned.
No, it wasn't laughable at that time. It was genius. Hoge was intelligent enough to see that the Titans were winning these games due to their defense, their running game, and their kicker. VY won a few of them with his legs, but NFL defenses soon realized he couldn't throw and put a stop to it real quick. Merril Hoge was genius for realizing that VY was getting undue credit for his teams successes. Kerry Collins went 13-3 the following year, but by then people realized the Titans had a good team and were good at winning close games regardless of who the QB was. The fact that Hoge said the stuff he said during the time VY appeared to be successful is why he's paid to be an NFL analyst. Any armchair analyst (like us) could say it now.
What about his rookie year when he replaced Collins and the Titans went 8-5 the rest of the way? He has never looked like a super bowl QB, but it doesn't mean he can't energize the rest of the team.
The point is that Merril Hoge's analysis on him was spot on. VY may be able to energize a team, the players may rally around him, he may be cool under pressure, whatever, that's fine, but he CAN'T quarterback an NFL team with his throwing ability and inability to make reads. That was Hoge's take all along and he got roased for it at the time by the rabid homers in Austin. And Hoge deserves an apology. He was right.
You are right. Merril Hoge called out VY's play even when the team was winning, and got blasted for it. Now, atleast so far, Hoge looks like a genius. VY CANNOT play PRO ball.
I thought that part had always been obvious. I myself was just hopeful he could learn to do those things.
Have yall seen some secret film since week 1 of last year to really make any more basis for that opinion? I am pretty sure you haven't, because it doesnt exist. You realize he hasn't started or played more than a couple of series (which was in preseason) since then. I'd be happy to accept your analysis/opinion if it was based on real-time game play during the season that you actually watched, but since it hasnt even occured, its not relevant. Vinsanity is just regurgitating stuff from ESPN that isn't even updated information. Only Fisher and the coaching staff can give an opinion and they are making sure Vince isnt able to change anyone elses, so they don't look like idiots.
mrdave543, if you filter out the non-UT alums this thread would be like 1 page long. this is the matrix, it's not reality. Vince and Hilary Duff, they are Houstonians before any expansion team came to town.
My brotha, you have to let it go. 0-4 and the coach don't play you till it 59-0. that should tell you everything you need to know
What did Merril Hoge use to form his opinion? What did the Titans coaching staff use to make their decision when they decided to go with a 38 yr old quarterback?
Reminds me of the crap Adelman used to get for not playing Steve Francis more when he came into camp out of shape n stuff. I really think job security is more important for Fisher and Co than any kind of vendetta or secret desire to not look stupid regarding one Vincent Young. And hence, if Young were the better option behind center, the coaching staff would have gone that route already. Probably after losing to the Texans, since some VY fans say Collins really screwed that game up.
Generally, I think that's true - but some players surprise coaching staffs when they get into the lineup. That's how people like Kurt Warner were stuck on the bench until he got lucky with Trent Green's injury. And coaching staffs often are invested in the decisions they make. Take one David Carr, for example. Say what you want about Rosenfels, but he's better than Carr. But the coaching staff refused to play Sage even when they were going through gameplans where Carr wasn't allowed to throw the ball (Oakland). At the time, they didn't know Schaub would be available, so they needed to find out if Sage could be a functional interim QB for a year while looked for someone else - and they still refused to do it. Coaching staffs can be obstinate and can be stupid. Not saying that's the case here, but it does happen. I don't think Vince is the answer for Tennessee, but at this point, unless Kerry Collins is their QB for the next few years, there's absolutely no reason Vince shouldn't be playing. He's due a big bonus if they keep him next year and it sounds like Bud Adams still likes him. They need to find out if he's got any future whatsoever before that bonus decision comes up. If they lose, they lose - but they are doing that anyway.
Another couple of examples before we write VY's NFL obituary... it's worth noting that for many players, it's just a matter of playing time and then suddenly one day, it all clicks. The Titans didn't have that luxury last year because they were really good and had the right QB in Kerry Collins for that team, but they do have the luxury now. 2004 - Vince Young at UT. There were still lots and lots of questions about VY's ability to throw and be an effective college QB. During a game with Missouri, he was a complete disaster (think Derek Anderson two weeks ago), and a backup RB was our leading passer with something like 40 yards. People were giving up on him as a QB, suggesting they turn him into a receiver, etc. A few weeks later, the team is getting obliterated by OSU (35-7, I think?) and it's beginning to look like the end. But then somewhere late in the first half, something clicks, and for the next 1.5 seasons, he's the best player in football. 2007 - Eli Manning. He's in his 4th year, with QB ratings and completion percentages in each of his years lower than Vince's 2nd year (yes, that bad). And that's with real receivers like Toomer and Plaxico. Team's pretty good, Eli's not. And then it all clicks in the playoffs - he leads them to a Superbowl and he's a good QB ever since. No real explanations why - but with young players, it's hard to say when they'll get it. The Flacco's and Matt Ryan's of the world are the exception. My opinion was that Vince needed to show real improvement in year 3 or he was probably doomed, but he didn't get a yr 3 due to injury followed by mental breakdown. They have 10 games to see if he ever does get it - they might as well use that.
I was a VY fans when he played at Texas and called out the Texans on draft day for taking Mario. Looking back much of his drop from the sky is bad management by Tennessee, they took short term win and sacrificed long term potential by playing Collins. Add to that Young caused himself to go all lunatic with his mental breakdown. Anyway this year at this stage 0-6, Vince should play the rest of the way, their season is over might as well see if VY can do anything with his career. I have the same feeling about Arizona and the Warner / Leinart, even though the've won in the playoffs last season, not developing Leinart will cost them dearly, If Warner has another good season, then look for Leinart to sign with another team as a free agent. I think Redskins could be a match with the way their QBs plain suck right now.
