What? You mean it is not all VY? Shocking..... Of course it isn't Fisher has proven time and time again to be an ass... DD
Well, it is Bo Scaife, after all. One of two of his teammates from college on that team (along with Michael Griffin). I wouldn't expect him to say much of anything else. I think Kevin Mawae's comments (an impartial offensive, veteran player) carried a little more weight to them.
Yeah, he retired, but he played with both of them for a while. He wasn't in the lockerroom for the "incident", but it's not like he's clueless, either. Plus he's not either of their drinking buddies, at least.
Sure - but if you're looking for what the locker room is like right now, Mawae isn't really going to be in the know. Besides which, how does Scaife benefit by going to the media if it's not true? He's not a good enough player that he couldn't be cut (unlike Kenny Britt, who can make his statement and know the team is going to keep him). If the rest of the team disagrees, then Scaife just makes himself a pariah as well.
I never said it wasn't true, at least as far as Scaife believes it. He's his former college teammate, and apparently the two are pretty close. He is going to have his back I imagine no matter what, so I'm going to take his comments with a grain of salt. And it's not like anything he said was inflammatory or derogatory of Fisher, he just said he and some of his teammates like VY. OK, fair enough. And, for all I know, Mawae may still be in regular contact with his former Titan teammates.
Bo Scaife was benched today. What a coincidence. http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/19/vince-young-sighting-news-to-jeff-fisher/ Also, Vince was on the sidelines. When Fisher was asked what he thought of Vince being there, he responded "I didn't even know he was there." F*** Jeff Fisher.
Uhh why? He was there a little over a quarter. Is Jeff Fisher supposed to notice every single person on the sideline when he's in the middle of coaching a game?
One of the biggest stories of the entire football season is Vince and Fisher's feud. Fisher and the rest of the Titans team are pretty much asked about it daily. Vince shows up on the sideline, and even receives a cheer from a portion of the crowd. Regardless of whether or not Fisher physically saw Vince during the game, you're telling me that you believe that Fisher had no idea his team's franchise QB was on the sideline? You honestly believe that not a single player was discussing this after the game? That no assistant coach asked, "Hey did you see Vince?" Kerry Collins and Chris Johnson both said they saw him (CJ called Vince the team's "leader" after the game), and you honestly believe that Jeff had no idea VY was at the game? I've got some beach houses to sell you in Arizona...
http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/20...aking-it-a-jeff-fisher-versus-vince#storyjump One thing that really irks me is how Jeff Fisher supporters (including his media organs Paul Kuharsky, Jim Wyatt, David Climer, David BoClair and Joe Biddle, plus a few pliant types in the national media) keep making this a "Jeff Fisher versus Vince Young" dispute. What that does other than help Jeff Fisher get another job I have no idea. What do people expect this story line to accomplish? It presumes that having the best record in the NFL and failing to win a single playoff game TWICE (2000, 2008) is OK. It presumes that all of these free agency busts and failed high draft picks are OK. (Now that Floyd Reese is long gone, Fisher fans can stop scapegoating the guy ... if anything the personnel moves have gotten even worse). Star-divide It presumes that all of the times Fisher has allowed malcontents like LenDale White, Albert Haynesworth and Adam Jones to marginalize his authority and make him look far more ridiculous than Vince Young ever did simply because they were "his guys" that he stuck his neck out for on draft day are OK. It presumes that all of Jeff Fisher's failed coaching staff moves over the years (firing Earnest Byner was far from the first ... remember Norm Chow anyone? ... this actually goes back to his firing Jerry Rhome because -gasp!- Rhome wanted to throw the ball and wanted better receivers) are OK. It presumes that Jeff Fisher's many strategic/gameday coaching failures in big games ... his regularly being outclassed and overmatched when going up against the better NFL coaches ... are OK. It presumes that Jeff Fisher's failure to field a consistently good defense - largely due to his failure to adapt to the passing-oriented and spread offenses that made his 4-6 defense much less effective - for the last ten years despite defense being his area of expertise ok. It presumes that the years of special teams debacles - again despite Fisher being a former special teams player and his making special teams a point of emphasis - OK. (Yes, the special teams were good in 2008 and 2010, but outside of those have been real sore areas for years.) It presumes that not having a consistent, reliable inside power running game since the 2000 season (after which Eddie George's fast slide began ... basically there was the Travis Henry season of 2006, Smash and Dash in 2008, and that was it) despite such being a major component to Jeff Fisher's blueprint for winning is OK. (And the Titans didn't add 2010 to that list because Jeff Fisher released LeGarrette Blount in order to give Lavelle Hawkins - the guy that he insisted would be every bit as good as DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Mario Manningham, and the other WRs drafted ahead of him - another shot, just as he released Antonio Johnson a couple of years back to give Chris Henry another shot, and who knows who was released in order to carry Paul Williams all those years.) It presumes that never having a true #1 receiver in his 16 seasons as head coach is OK. (Derrick Mason, for all his positives, is only a #2 because of his lack of size and deep speed. Mason never reached 10 TD catches in a season, and has fewer than a dozen career receptions of 50 yards or longer.) It presumes that never in 16 years having a group of WRs that would receive similar playing time for most of the other NFL teams are ok. It presumes that spending most of his coaching career with glaring deficiencies in at least one pass rusher spot and in several secondary spots are ok (a fact made even worse by Fisher's dedicating most of his major personnel moves, high draft picks and major free agent contracts, to defense). It presumes that going his entire career without having a single QB reach 3400 yards or 25 TDs passing (mostly due to the lack of quality and depth among the WRs mentioned earlier) is OK. It presumes that missing the playoffs 5 of the last 7 years is OK. It presumes that always being able to find a series of convenient scapegoats for your failures (a series of players, assistant coaches, and front office people) is OK. It presumes as if there not being a bit of evidence that Jeff Fisher is going to change is OK. (Fisher has steadfastly defended the team talent and his coaching decisions all season long, just as he always does). Bottom line: It presumes that winning 5 playoff games in 16 years, with 3 of those wins coming in 1999 and most of them against very shaky teams (Baltimore with a backup QB, Pittsburgh with Tommy Maddox at QB, Buffalo with Rob Johnson at QB, and a very young Indianapolis team coached by Jim Mora) is good enough. This only makes sense if your #1 issue is wanting Vince Young off the roster, despite the fact that the Titans' failures long preceded Vince Young and - as long as Jeff Fisher remains head coach with almost unchallenged personnel power - will continue in the future. Or, of course, if you are Jeff Fisher or a Jeff Fisher supporter, who is able to contrive this into choosing an immature, unpopular and statistically meager QB over a head coach. If that is how the issues are framed, then the general sentiment is to back the coach, no matter who the coach is or what his record. But if you think that you can get rid of Vince Young now and Jeff Fisher later ... think again. The minute Vince Young is dumped, Jeff Fisher and their chorus will start saying "We need to start over and rebuild around a new QB. The process should take, oh, 2 or 3 years." And 2 or 3 years down the line, the Titans will be right back to where a 10-6 record for 2 years out of 3 is OK (just as it basically has been for Jeff Fisher's tenure) or blaming THAT QB for all of Jeff Fisher's problems. The one thing that Jeff Fisher doesn't want you to remember is that he hasn't won consistently with ANY QB. He didn't win consistently (or at all) with Chris Chandler (who went on to lead the Atlanta Falcons to the Super Bowl, and it was in the Chris Chandler era that Jerry Rhome was fired because he wanted to draft talented WRs and throw the football). He didn't win consistently with Steve McNair. He put up a losing record with Billy Volek, whom he dumped for Kerry Collins because of the insane delusion that Collins was a better player. And of course, he has had 1 good season but 2 bad ones with Kerry Collins. Wait ... that is not true. (Jeff Fisher, er, has won consistently with Vince Young, who has had a winning record as a starter every single year. But let's pretend that it isn't the case for now.) So, other than the folks still bitter over not getting Jay Cutler (and in the process ignoring Cutler's own won/loss or TD to turnover ratios), there is not a single bit of evidence that the Titans would have been better had they drafted another QB then, there is not a single bit of evidence that the Titans will be better going forward if they draft another QB now, and in fact all available evidence points to the contrary! And yet, folks still want to make this about Vince Young versus Jeff Fisher instead of evaluating a record for Fisher that was pedestrian at best long before Young ever joined this organization! So please stop it. The only reason why it is even a little bit relevant is because Jeff Fisher - playing the PR game as always - has had his informants "leak" that he doesn't want to come back if Vince Young is on the team, and because Bud Adams prefers Jeff Fisher back for one last shot to rebuilding with a new coach. Fine, but let's not forget that had Vince Young not won games in 2006 and 2007, Jeff Fisher would have been fired long ago! I repeat, had Fisher and Norm Chow (who is battling to hold onto his job at UCLA!) gotten Matt Leinart in 2006, Fisher wouldn't have lasted past the bye week in 2007. So quit buying into the propaganda angle where Fisher is using a (rather unjustifiably) unpopular QB to save his job and reputation. (Fisher knows that even if he is hired as a new head coach somewhere else, he won't get a front office executive job or carte blanche control over personnel and the scouting department.) Instead, let Fisher's record stand for itself. The only reason to do otherwise is because you are either a Jeff Fisher loyalist, or so intent on getting Vince Young that you are willing to be stuck with Jeff Fisher until he gets yet another chance to prove that he can't win with yet another QB (and group of assistant coaches and group of players to go with him).
I am torn. I do believe there are certain positions on the football field where not everything is measurable by statistics. VY does appear to have, to some degree, some intangible something that allows him to utilize his modest (by NFL standards) skill set in such a way that he is able to help his team win close games more frequently than his measurable ability would indicate. Maybe this is leadership. However, it is clear that he simply isn't very good at most of the things a top tier NFL quarterback is asked to do. I think his "headcase" behavior has probably eroded whatever respect for his leadership and intangibles most of the NFL has. However Bud Adams, clearly still thinks of drafting him as a coup, and "sticking it to Houston" which seems to be more important to him than winning at this point. Someone will take the Titans job, even with VY forced on them...just like someone always takes the Dallas job, even knowing JJ is gonna foist expensive new "toys" on them. I am all for Bud's delusions though, because it weakens the AFC South and the Texans need all the help they can get.
I think the first part was true in previous years - but he's improved his passing every year, and when he got hurt this year, he was near the top of the league in passing efficiency. He wasn't being asked to throw the ball much, but when he was, he was making very good decisions and doing the QB job very efficiently. I agree with the latter part - no matter how justified it may be or how much he may be unfairly treated by Fisher, his tantrums have to give you pause. He has to be smarter than that, especially knowing the reputation he already has.
Obviously the team plays harder for VY than they do for Collins and Fisher and I believe the team has a better understanding of the locker room than the media. Remember how the Titans essentially quit on Fisher last year before the bye week and the VY showdown between Bud and Fisher. This team has quit on Fisher many times. We don't know if VY is going to be a great quarterback or not, but we know for sure Fisher is a mediocre coach.
