The problem with this argument is that Wade Phillips' winning percentage is actually pretty good. He's been lucky to have good teams. No one actually thinks Wade is a better coach than Fisher.
If it's deserved, why would it be dysfunctional on Fisher's side? I'm just skeptical that after 17 years, Fisher has somehow been exposed to be a bad coach who hold grudges.
It's dysfunctional in that it would mean the coach is playing a guy he doesn't trust and constantly wants the backup in. That's not good for the playcalling, it's not good for the team, it's not good for the locker room, it's not good for stability, etc. If you don't believe in Vince, then just play Collins. But don't throw a QB out there while communicating that you don't trust him or constantly making him feel like he's going to be benched for a bad half or whatnot. He shouldn't be publicly treating the two QBs differently, playing favorites in the media with one, etc. That doesn't benefit anyone.
Yeah because "Mr. gives us the best chance to win" was 0-6....insert Vince with the same group of guys and they go 8-2. And they have never built their offense to take advantage of VY's skills. I am not saying Vince is blameless, I am saying Fisher has never, NEVER wanted the guy and has gone out of his way to make it known. IMO, bud should jettison Fisher and go with a coach that will get the most out of Vince. Players win, and sometimes coaches get in the way of winning, that is Jeff Fisher these days. DD
True - but that doesn't change the dysfunctionalness. If Fisher is not playing the guy that he thinks gives him the best chance to win, and is messing with the QB that he is playing because he doesn't want to play him, that all screams dysfunction.
This isnt the first time hes had a grudge....plenty of players have been run off. Look at quotes from Kevin Mawae, Keith Bullock, just in the last year as an example. Fisher gets the benefit of the doubt with the media, and might deserve it, but its 100% clear that Vince isn't Fishers guy, Collins has been and always will be.
I agree Collins has been his guy. Actually, Fisher probably would want a completely different QB than either one, but Bud is making him keep Vince. I imagine the Titans with CJ and an upper tier QB would be pretty scary. But it doesn't look like we'll find out anytime soon.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5847001 So the man who sent his QB coach to tell Vince to leave the facility prefers man-to-man? Got it. I don't see how anyone can say Fisher doesn't have something personal with Vince. Is that last sentence even necessary? How hard would it be to just say, "I received Vince's text, but would prefer a face to face," and leave it at that. He has to throw out the theory that someone else, not Vince, wrote the text.
If the owner says you have to play guy A, and you don't want to play guy A, you have a choice to make. You either quit, you play guy B and tell the owner to deal with it, or you commit to playing guy A and make the best of it. Fisher seems to have taken the passive-aggressive approach of playing guy A, but only halfway and constantly trying to undermine the situation through pulling him, publicly criticizing him, clearly favoring the other guy, etc. It seems as though his goal is to make a mess of things until Bud Adams steps back and lets him have his way. From a leadership perspective, that's the last thing you want to do. No one benefits from that and its wasted years for the organization (years that happen to be CJ's prime years). As a result, they are five years in and still have no resolution to the situation of who their QB will be going forward.
But how can you be sure he's being passive- aggressive? Guys get benched all the time. Even McNabb got benched. It can be a way for the coach to send a message. Just because he criticizes Vince and benches him, does that really mean he's trying to sabotage the whole team? From some accounts, Vince doesn't have the greatest work ethic, so maybe Fisher is trying to push him.
I do agree that if Vince was sincere and not in damage control, he would have personally called Fisher to apologize. But you are right, there is no reason for Fisher to make comments like "face to face is the man thing" or "someone could have grabbed his phone." Their relationship is beyond repair and there is no way they can coexist next season. My guess is that Fisher will be the one shown the door.
Look at the post above mine by Baseballa. It's constant stuff like that. Even with the nightmare of Pacman Jones (or lazy players like Lendale White), Fisher kept stuff behind the scenes. With Vince, he consistently does everything he can to challenge VY's character in the media - even when there's no need as in this text-msg case. The guy apologizes and his only response is to criticize the method of the apology in the media? Its the only person he's really done that with, and you don't really see any other coach do that with any other player. It's clearly a relationship that doesn't work, and whatever Fisher's methods of trying to fix it are, they aren't working at all.
Fisher is being a grade A douche. At least now some of you can see some of the stuff that I was talking about..... DD
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think face to face is 100% the way to go. But, because we are only hearing what Fisher tells the media, how do we even know Vince didn't intend to do that when he was told to leave the facility. It's hard to apologize to someone face to face when they won't let you get face to face. (I have no idea if this is even the case, but at this point, when the only news being released is what Fisher tell people, who knows.)
Well, don't the Pacman and LenDale situations show Fisher isn't the problem here? He has a reputation as a player's coach.
No, it shows what a hypocrit he is......because he keeps some stuff in house, and then publicly hammers VY at every chance he gets. And the owner having to FORCE Fisher to play Vince last year and then Vince leading the team has to be eating at him. This is Fisher's EGO getting in the way of a quality decision. DD
