Also looks like Fisher lied about throwing his jersey into the stands (which he does every game). "Vince Young,who admitted he is frustated. Young denied throwing his jersey in the stands, as has been widely reported. He said he simply gave it to the daughter of longtime Titans executive vice president Don MacLachlan." Also, there was a post about Fisher telling the media before telling rusty smith/rest of the team about Vince "losing" his starting job. Thats not a "players" coach as you have tried to spin it. Fisher spins the media, has always done it, theres always been a lot of stuff behind the scenes. Fisher is a dictator, its his way or the highway (not saying thats a bad philosophy always), but for Bud Adams to force VY down Fishers throat, this was never going to end well.
I'm sorry, but a coach is allowed to yell at a player??? And Fisher didn't yell at VY, BTW. Yanking him in and out of games? He was yanked once. He got hurt this time and allegedly he wasn't throwing the ball well on the sidelines. So he didn't go in...I don't see how you can blame the coach in any way. Fisher didn't make him throw his stuff in the stands or walk out on his teammates after the game. I understand that it has to be frustrating that Fisher isn't sold on VY (should have played him a lot earlier than he did last season) and there is nothing wrong with supporting VY and hoping he plays well, but defending his actions yesterday is pretty ridiculous. If ANY other QB had acted like that, most of you would be on the coach's side
Listen to the press conference. "I was told Vince threw half his uniform into the crowd." And if he has made his decision that Vince is out, what is wrong with telling the media in the post-game presser? Apparently the final straw was VY walking out on the team before Fisher left for the press conference, anyway. I don't have to "spin" Fisher as a player's coach. There's 15 years of evidence to prove it. But hey, by all means keep calling for Fisher's exit. Nothing would make Houston fans happier.
Good quarterbacks let their play do the talking and don't have controversy at the qb position. Matt Schaubs starting job has never been questioned, neither really has any other good QB in this league. Maybe if VY could learn how to become a good passer and not turn it over for a whole season he could keep his job. Simple as this, don't suck and be a b**** VY.
It is odd, it is Jeff Fisher doing damage control. Not saying it is his fault, it is both of their faults....I mean how can you not have a relationship with your starting QB and call yourself a leader? I don't get it? Seems bizzare. DD
Not defending his actions, but I can understand his frustration with Fisher. I think Fisher has handled him completely incorrectly.....some players respond well to criticism, some respond better to support.....Fisher's job is to figure out which buttons to push to make his team better. While Vince screwed the pooch yesterday, Fisher made his team weaker by not being a better coach, and understanding how to best get the most out of an important player. Exactly, and it probably ate at Fisher that Vince went 8-2 last year after starting 0-6, made Fisher look stupid for not playing him sooner.
DD...what part of yesterday don't you get? VY gets hurt. VY looks bad throwing passes on the sideline...passes are sailing. Head coach decides he isn't fit to play, and goes with backup. QB never asks to go back into the game or argue his case. QB gets upset, throws his pads in the stands and leaves his teammates early after the game, telling the head coach that "he is quitting on the coach". College teammate tries to get QB to come back in to locker room, QB shrugs it off and leaves. What exactly did Jeff Fisher do to mishandle that situation? I will agree that he obviously isn't a VY guy, evidenced last season with his stubborness to bench Collins for VY. However, in this situation, it is clearly all VY's fault. 100%
Exactly. No other QB constantly has to watch his back for fear of being benched. Now, I've followed Vince for a while, and his character was NEVER questioned until he got under the Fisher regime. Again, not supporting Vince's childish actions yesterday. But it is pretty easy to understand why Vince is so incredibly frustrated.
Until he got to the NFL he never really had to face much adversity or criticism. Pretty easy to be a high character guy when things are peachy, you're going undefeated, everyone is kissing your ass, and your coach is letting you do whatever you want. VY seems to lack discipline and, obviously, maturity.
You are right, I've never heard of Vince acting this way before. But up to this point has he really faced adversity? The game has always been easy for him up to this point. I think he is just having a tough time dealing with real adversity for the first time on the football field.
Agreed, now the question that Fisher should have done is try to figure out how to best get that for him so that he could tap into all that makes Vince a special player. DD
It looks like Vince was damaged goods from the start. Sucks Fisher couldn't fix him, but he's not his daddy.
Maybe Vince isn't that "special" of a player. Fisher has been around the league long enough and had his share of gifted QBs. I'm not even sure VY can really improve that much more. He is far behind most QBs that have been in the league as long as he has now. In the past few years we've seen a plethora of QBs come into the league at a younger age and with much more experience and do far better than VY.
Watch what type of player Vick has become, and you will see the kind of player Vince could be. I never understood why they wanted to make him a pocket passer, when his ability to run and create off the run are what made him special. If you are trying to shoe horn a player into a system rather than recognizing the unique talents that player has and adding them to your system, you are screwing it up. Fisher has had that issue. A good coach has to find out what each player needs to hear to be successful and motivated, a good coach can push when needed and give support when needed. DD
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. The Titans were probably the only organization in the NFL that would've given Vince THIS much slack, and he's wasted all of it. I think he's going to seriously regret babying his way out of Nashville. Other organizations won't be so forgiving/patient.
it's just amazing how people blame Fisher in this. VY is a baby. He's been pampered and coddled his entire career. He's proven to be immature and have a sense of entitlement as well as not being a team player when things don't go his way. People will talk about how a coach should handle him and all, but the man is 27 and at there is a limit to how different you can treat a player. It can set a bad precedent. And let's be honest, VY hasnt earned the right to have special treatment.
Really? You don't think Vince would play better for someone like Andy Reid? Or a coach who will change his system to suit a different skillset? I think there will be plenty of opportunities for VY going forward, he needs to go to a situation that will allow him to play his style of game. Sometimes players don't fit with coaches, and you have to choose....that is where Bud is now. Last year, Bud told Fisher to play him.....I am sure that went down well.....lol.... It will be interesting to see whom Bud chooses now. It is not about earning a right, it is about getting the most out of the talent your player has...... Your are right about him being a baby and being coddled, but JVG saw the same thing in Tmac and he got more out of him because he knew how to manage his ego. Fisher, doesn't do that, and tried to mold Vince into something he isn't....a pocket passer, and ignored all the special talents that VY has, primarily his ability to run with the ball and scramble etc.... Anyway, we shall see how it all goes. DD
He has been a damn good passer and he wasn't turning the ball over this season. His issues this season aren't performance related.
I find it terribly amusing see people defend VY's T-mac like acts of diva-ness...... Please carry on.
On the performance side, I would argue that the Texans gave Carr far more slack. They continued to start him even after a game where they didn't trust him to throw the ball at all. The 49ers have done the same with Alex Smith. Of course, neither of those guys had the attitude/maturity issues, but on a pure performance basis, those organizations were much more patient and forgiving than the Titans have been with Vince.
