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vspan: NBA nearly destroyed me, but I no longer hate Van Gundy's lies

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by newplayer, Sep 21, 2007.

  1. Old Man Rock

    Old Man Rock Contributing Member

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    LOL, that's actually funny. You are still an idiot. ;)
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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  3. getsmartnow

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    I don't usually post anywhere...but where's the "Leave V-Span Alone!!" Chris Crocker video?? :p


    "V-Span is not well....and if you've got a problem with him, then you gotta come through me!!"
     
  4. durvasa

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    If Morey is calling the shots, I can't imagine him not trading Spanoulis for Scola, even if Spanoulis wanted to return. I think he's much smarter than that. And I never heard of all these trade offers you mention.

    And your second paragraph seems completely unsubstatiated. Where is it documented that the JVG's departure had to do with him not getting enough control? And, if that's the issue, how is that different than Spanoulis not being brought back because the Rockets didn't want to guarantee he'd be "controlling" the ball on the court? It looks analogous to me, but earlier you portrayed it as Rockets wanted V-Span back and wanted JVG gone.

    It's mismanagement if the sole goal is to maximize V-Span's effectiveness. But you know very well that is NOT the goal of an NBA coach. The goal is to make decisions that benefit the team as a whole. So, yes, it is your opinion that not playing Spanoulis in a different way hurt the Rockets as a team. My opinion is that if JVG trotted him out there regularly as a PG like he wanted, we'd have gone into the playoffs as a much lower seed or possibly missed it entirely.
     
  5. codell

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    Exactly.

    And IIRC, JVG said re: VGina shooting 3s that he was not trying to change his game, but rather, trying to improve it.
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Sorry, Sir Jackie, not that great a graphic, and the ass clowns are the Vasili Krishnas chanting the same inane irrelevant fantasy over and over.

    Sam, you're going to have to add some folks to your sig.

    I think codell put it best earlier in this thread -- I don't hate V-Span at all. Good luck to him. But these people concocting fictions of what-could-have-been, based on absolutely nothing... they aren't funny anymore. It's just getting kind of weird.
     
  7. kokopuffs

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    SamFisher, I anoint you as the funniest poster ever.
     
  8. Spacemoth

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    Wait, how did Greece do in the FIBA Euro games this year??? And who got the MVP in the Americas tournament? Case closed.
     
  9. cjstukenholtz

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    Greece was knocked off by Spain in the semifinals. Russia would then win that tournament championship.

    As far as MVPs are concerned Andrei Kirilenko (who wants out of Utah, by the way) was the MVP for the FIBA Euro games while Luis Scola was the MVP for the Americas tournament.
     
  10. Alvin Choo

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    i always wonder why JVG always give the impression of not playing rookies. He actually played Novak, started him at the first few games, until it looks plain sily as Novak is still not ready to play. JVG do what he does best, he get everyone together, play solid bball, and get wins for the team. I always think that JVG is very good in approaching the game, but when things are not working he never have any idea on what to do.

    Bout V-span, once i read this

    "In his eyes, my role in the offense should be running up and down to create empty spaces and then shoot 3s outside the arc, and my role in the defense should be locking down the opposition's point guard.I've told him many many times that I need to control the ball for a while and I need more help from my teammates and I need more help defense. I'm very happy to play defense, but there was so much man-to-man defense in NBA that I was almost ruined. Entire matches were broken down to 1-on-1 or 2-on-2, it was very hard for me to accept."

    If i'm the coach, i be telling any players that tells me what to do, get your arse out of the gym and come back when you wants to play and not complain.

    "Then in March and April, they dragged me out again after I'd been out of the team's system for such a long time, and let me play 10 minutes a game"

    it shows that he is no professional, and he is better out of this team, he got his chance and he say he is not ready for minutes? Thats a lot of crap. What you did on the training ground is different from a game, the intensity level and the pressure is at a whole different level. Hence what he do on court is what matters and he did not shows it.
     
  11. heypartner

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    no, you're the one who is freaking weird.

    either this thread is banned or I am.

    are you ready for preseason

    we are going to stop this VSpan thing in this thread, or I'm getting banned. Are you ready!

    OK, maybe tomorrow. it's a long weekend.
     
  12. Rover16

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    The thing I find funny is how people can hate a great guy like vspan, but then worship a selfish prick like steve francis. A strange world we live in.
     
  13. ling ling

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    If Spanoulis was just a salary dump for the spurs, Sura would have accomplished the same thing.
     
  14. durvasa

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    Maybe that works out, I don't know. But if the Spurs insisted on getting V-Span, would the Rockets have balked? Certainly not. They'd trade him for Scola in a heart beat.
     
  15. Rover16

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    No, it's not the same cause sura would still get paid. Vspan walked away from the contract so the spurs didn't have to pay him a dime.
     
  16. Rockets2K

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    If you bring up a quote to backup your argument, then it is on you to prove it.

    I have personally NEVER heard Yao publicly call out his coach.

    I dont get my news from the gossip section of whatever board you read that at, and since it goes against all known facts, I will discount your supposed "argument" since you seem to be allergic to facts.


    ZERO CRED
     
  17. Rover16

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    This is the quote he's probably referring to.

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=2920054&postcount=17

     
  18. ReeferAlston

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    damn ! v-span got ethered!!!
     
  19. ling ling

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    The rockets offered cash to the spurs, so that if VSpan stayed, they did not have to pay his salary.

    They could do the same for Sura, Offer cash to pay the Spurs to cover the release of Sura.

    They still wouldn't need to pay either players a dime.
     
  20. abcdef

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    No, Sura's contract has a $1M buyout, while Spanoulis was willing to walk out of his contract for nothing. Besides, the Spurs would have had to match the $3.8M salary cap number of Sura, which would have taken more than just Butler and they probably didn't want to get rid of anyone they could actually use.
     

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