vspan: NBA nearly destroyed me, but I no longer hate Van Gundy's lies

So you're telling us that 235 minutes played in the Eurobasket Tourney gives you a way to predict performance over a full NBA season, better than his performance in 272 minutes in the actual NBA? Plus 141 minutes of NBA preseason action? Even though the Eurobasket uses different rules and different lines on the court (including the shorter 3 point line)? Even though Span played SG in the tourney but would be a PG in the NBA? Even though the majority of players he went against in Eurobasket were non-NBA players? What about the fact that he can't even hit Euro 3s (or 2s) with any consistancy, and averaged 2 assists per game? And he admittedly doesn't play NBA-level defense? Are those really qualities that you're looking for in a starting point guard?

You are the Tmac of useless statistical analysis.

 

Does anyone else think Rockets Dynasty and BBall Scientist are the same person?

 

VSpan needs to fit in the system, not the blame the entire system.

 

Lucky for me, I couldn't get past this line of your post, b-ball scientist. With an opening line that removed from reality, I didn't need to look at the next 68 pages of it.

Can you show me any proof that any of us are Van Gundy only fans? I'm not even a Van Gundy fan at all. Many of us criticized him all the time.

Is the will to see V-Span as a now completely irrelevant issue, beyond the pale, somehow making me, or anyone else, think anything of Van Gundy? answer: no. Get it in your head, someday, for your own mental health, someone thinking V-Span is an overinflated, increasingly stupid issue for this BBS, does not necessarily have a bearing on what they think of Van Gundy (who is also an overinflated, increasingly stupid issue for this BBS!).

Mods, can this end at preseason? Banished to international forums?

 

Uncanny. The symptoms of illness present the same pathology, upon BBS triage.

 

Not me, I find his and HP's posts entertaining. If you don't like their posts you don't have to read them. I believe that is the same advice that you have handed out in the past to other posters on here.

 

do as he says...not as he does.

 

Or maybe, just maybe you could try to understand sarcasm.

Everyone knows that you and he are the same person anyway Donkey.

 

The greatest stats guru of all time durvasa uses stats that only make Chuck Hayes a superstar.

 

See when you fail to read the post and also to actually apply the metric this is what happens. This is why people like Darly Morey who can actually apply the stat are GM and people like you make fun of information like this that actually is used by all NBA teams.

Nevermind that if fans here started actually grasping these things they could actually know what foreign players will do rather than just pure speculation.

See apparently fans here forgot to check stats of other NBA players. Some did better, some worse, and this is based on simply PT.

But looking at the stats and adjusting for PT you can make the argument that Yony Parker and Dirk Nowitkzi have WORSE stats in EC than in NBA.

Nowitzki was asked why he averages LESS points and shoots worse and he said because the defense is so much better than in the NBA.

But to the expert fans here this would be simply "fantasy world."

You have national teams like Spain with like 6 NBA players and about 4 starters or closers and Spanoulis dropped 24 points on them.

Again the assist thing is brought up. Again in FIBA Europe asists are counted differently than in the NBA.

Did you even see that Parker's assists dropped significantly? His shooting percentage did too.

He played like crap compared to the NBA Finals. But that's because ha actually saw defense.

Is Parker a scrub? I mean afterall he plays WORSE in EC than in NBA.

In FIBA Europe assists ONLY count if heading to the basket and ONLY count if there is NO dribble or hesitation by the receiving player.

Yao Ming may have 9 or 10 assists in a whole year if the NBA usesu the same method.

Of course the fans here are such basketball gurus that they don't even realize that. Even though most all casual basketball fans know this, the "experts" here are not aware of it.

Yep, Rockets fans OWN b-ball knowledge.

 

durvasa, codell, B-Bob, Sam Fisher, A3Po, etc. etc. "same song, same person."

To paraphrase Sam Fisher. Or should I say to paraphrase durvasa?

 

If you are not a JVG only fan why would you be bothered by the post? The post was for the JVG only fans.

You almost sound as whiney as "V-Gina".

 

Touche!

Now, are you going to provide a source for the below quote. And also please explain why play in less than 500 NBA minutes is irrelevant, but play in less than 300 minutes in a Euro tournament is relevant enough to make projections.

 

Yes,there is a bigger picture of reality that most likely keeps on rolling into the same thing.

Houston Rockets 2007 -2008 World Champions

All the factors/minutiae such as.......
the Rockets margin of error last year

JVG's tortured genius/egomaniacal control freak status which blocks him from abstract thought and forces him to coach to not lose his job...ergo seeing only the safe route because of the injuries.

the inability to fit a square peg in a round hole

Spanoulis's game which IS all about having the ball and executing the pick and roll......That goes with our
offense which ran through Rafer and Tracy along with Yao.

Spanoulis's tantrum and JVG's handling of it.

The press it/they created and the backlash of public opinion against Spanoulis.


All this is grist for the mill now and after all that's what we are right.

I wonder about the perceived lack of NBA talent though...The focus is on this boy's heart and mind.....as with JVG(the heart isn't the issue with him).I truly believe under different circumstances Spanoulis could succeed bigtime in this League.


But alll in all what DOES it matter now because they aare both gone and ole man river just keeps on rollin....ah it feels good to be a Rockets fan today.

 

And here is the thing that PROVES most fans opinions here are wrong on this.

JVG was wrong and Spanoulis was right.


Since everyone here keeps begging for an end to "V-Spam" this will end it because it proves this.

The AMERICAN way is NOT what JVG did but is what V-San did.

V-Span earned an average of $1,944,000 per year from the Rockets for 3 years.

Even though there are no state taxes in Texas the salary would lose about 40% for federal taxes, so $1,166,400 per year for 3 years NET SALARY.

So about $3,500,000 net for 3 years.

No endorsements for Spanoulis in US, no fringe benefits or bonuses for Spanoulis either in US.

Now look at what he got from Panathinaikos Athens.

He got his entire salary from San Antonio of $1,944,000 covered this year by Panathinaikos PLUS he got about $7,191,000 for salary for 3 years from Panathinaikos.

Between the buyout and the salary he got about $9,135,000.

Now the dollar is at an all-time low and still dropping, all economists are saying it will continue to drop. On a daily basis Spanoulis could watch his Greek contract grow and his former NBA contract shrink.

Now also is this:

In Greece the Panathinaikos team PAYS ALL THE PLAYER TAXES!

Now Spanoulis is at $9,135,000 NET SALARY in Greece!

Let me repeat, Spanoulis is at $9,135,000 NET SALARY in Greece!


PLUS in Greece the Panathinaikos team PAYS FOR THE CAR and HOUSE of your own choice!

Spanoulis got $1,700,000 cash for his own house and car of his choice! A big estate villa on the coast of the Mediterranean no less.

In Houston he had an apartment

Now Spanoulis is at $10,835,000 (and going up every day because of the dollar dop) NET SALARY in Greece!

If you figure the 40% average for federal taxes the NBA salaries are at and no state taxes for Texas, this means Spanoulis' Greece salary is.........

EQUIVALENT to $18,000,000 over 3 years in the US! That's $6,000,000 a year!

That's MORE than the FULL Mid Level Exception for 3 years!

And going up every day because of the dollar dropping against the Euro!

Now add in that in Greece Spanoulis also gets endorsement deals.


So Spanoulis in Greece earning a whopping NBA salary Equivalent to $6,000,000 PER YEAR. But in Texas he was earning $1,944,000

Now Spanoulis and his agent claimed they took considerably less money than in Athens to play in Houston because it was Spanoulis' "dream" to play in the NBA.

But then he didn't actually play in the NBA.........

So let me ask ALL Americans here. If you took a job for personal reasons that paid only 1/3 as much as another previous job would you not expect those personal reasons then to be fulfilled at the new job that pays 2/3 less?

Would you not want to quit that job and go back for the huge money then if it were not?

THIS IS THE AMERICAN WAY

Why do people here presumably mostly Americans keep ignoring this? Spanoulis did what all Americans are famous for doing. He followed the money.

It IS all about the Benjamins. Why is this case suddenly different? Is it because he's Greek? Are Greeks supposed to be slaves or something? Or did NO ONE here get why his agent said that?

Can You imagine an American player not being just as pissed? Yeah Bonzi seemed real happy with his less money and less play time.

You know people here acting like Spanoulis should behave differently than ANY American would in the same spot has some strong racist overtones.

Now what did Van Gundy do? The UN-AMERICAN WAY. He asked a player to accept LESS money and also not have the "personal reasons" fulfilled while doing so.

He also did this to Bonzi, who amazingly also apparently didn't give "full effort." shocking, absolutely shocking, as 007 might say.

This is the UN-AMERICAN WAY. You know in America if you want ANY employee to perform to standard or par or to actually give an effort you have to either pay them what they can get somewhere else or you have to fulfill other benefits in place of this to entice them to work for the less money.

Van Gundy did NEITHER.

In America this means ALL employees will not give a damn and will not give effort. FACT.

Now we have this whole board living in a magical land of Jeff Van Gundy Oz where these basic FACTS of American way and life simply for some bizarro world reason do not apply to this ONE case, be it maybe the only time in America it has not.

Yes I am sure EVERYONE here would gladly take a 2/3 pay cut to take another job because it was their "dream" and had been believing certain things about this "dream job", then come to find out this "dream job" was crap, for example WORSE than their previous job, which coincidentally paid 2/3 MORE CASH.

Yep I am sure that EVERY person here that criticizes Spanoulis would GLADLY have welcomed a similar arrangement and personal situation and would have not even dared to bad mouth their own boss.

I mean there would not be I am sure a single person here that would be at all making ANY complaints or feeling at all shafted or in any way at all disgruntled over this.

Not one person here would even dare consider, "Gee maybe I should get that old job back, yeah that might be a good idea."


Yeah all you Spanoulis haters want this "V-Spam" to stop, then STOP IT!

Admit already that ANY and EVERY single person here would do the SAME EXACT thing Spanoulis did in the same position and STOP acting like you would not already.

That's what irks me over this whole thing. It's that so many people here act like he somehow screwed the Rockets. Why?

I would have been kicking and screaming mad if I was in the same position.

I bet MOST if not ALL the people here complaining about this would have attacked Van Gundy if they got put in the same situation.

Hell people KILL people every day for sums like $10,000 and we are talking about $9,686,000 and growing here!

Which is better?

An apartment in Houston or a big villa on the Mediterranean in Greece?

Which is better making $10,835,000 and growing net or $3,500,000 and shrinking net?

Which is better?

Having to play 82 games for $3,500,000 or about 60 games for $10,835,000?

Which is better playing in your own country or playing on the other side of the world with different food, different culture, different language?

Which is better?

Playing for a coach that respects you or one that cannot stand you?

Which is better?

Playing for fans and a city that obviously hate your freaking guts or for fans and a city that respect you?

There is absolutely no way in hell that every single person here that b****es about Spanoulis would not do the SAME EXACT thing if in his position. To imply that it is somehow different for him because he is a Greek rookie coming to America and has to "shut his mouth and be thankful for what he is given" is again filled with numerous racist overtones.

Now to top all of this off the ULTIMATE ridiculousness of fans here is this.

What came of his demands?

The Rockets got Luis Scola. They got a legit sized and good PF for it that otherwise they would not have gotten.

If anything he brought the championship to this team.

He should be WORSHIPPED for the very Greek ground he walks on.

This whole Spanoulis hater thing is the absolute most ridiculous thing I have ever witnessed in the history of Houston Rocket fandom.

You want this so-called "V-Spam" thing to end. Then start acting like people instead of racist nut
jobs.

 

^ not going to read that garbage.

oh yeah...V-Gina sucks.

 

This guy is spewing forth so much nonsense, he's just a few run-on sentences away from being Spanoulis himself.

 

It does make a little sense, basically it says that V-Span whined his way into a better contract and more money.

I think everyone made out in this deal.....we get Scola, V-Span gets more money, and everyone is happy.

DD

 

v-gina whined his way into the minor leagues...congrats to him.

 

What a shock, a one line inciteful post from Sam Fisher errrr Donkey Magic..



The minor leagues with 3 times the pay, and having to play less than half as many games.

Look, believe what you want about the guy, but what he did was really good business for himself.

I mean how many people here who hate their job, can simply whine their way out, go to another company in their hometown and get 3 times the pay for less work.

Got to tip my hat to him.

DD