vspan: NBA nearly destroyed me, but I no longer hate Van Gundy's lies

Pretty small sample size and I think the 9,6,6 were more of what he saw over the entire season. Lets not forget that he played many of his minutes as a spot up shooter behind the 3pt line which is not his strenght. He would've been better as a penetrator or a pick and roll PG.

 

He was also asked to play defense, which he has said is not his strength. Really, if Van Gundy had a shred of fairness, he would have instituted the old women's basketball rules, where there's 3 for offense and 3 for defense, and nobody is allowed to cross half court.

Then V-Gyna could have just played on the offensive end. Still wouldn't address his horrible turnover problem, but maybe he could find a way to run the pick and role without needing to actually dribble or pass.

 

Considering that Nash was from college and Manu was from overseas, that means only 2 of the 4 were straight out of high school.

You are officially downgraded to a 9600k modem and not allowed to drink any quality German beer for 12 hours.

You sir, should know better....when you are going to call someone an idiot, make sure what you post doesn't make yourself look like one.

Martin Van Buren would be ashamed of you Sammy.

As for the topic at hand, since V-Spam and Jeff Van dummy are both gone, is there any point in discussing whether or not VSpam or Van Dummy were right?

There is no winner in this debate, trust me, I know. There is still life in the JVG did a bad job debate though, but not much.....



DD

 

huh?

i mean, you cannot even compare VSpan's second year to oneal, tmac, manu and nash's second years....now, can you. And I mean that in a literal sense.

 

Heh sam already does a pretty good job of making himself look like an idiot every time he posts. If you notice, the majority of his posts involve personal insults. That's always a sign of a person knowing he's losing an argument so he just resorts to insult. Sam brings comedy to these boards with his silly posts.

 

but that's the whole point about VSpan. He's a small sample of an NBA player, yet he has the biggest BBS threads.

that's why I hate him. Not because he's greek or hairy or sucky at basketball or has a stupid bball IQ and runs the fastbreak like a chicken with his head cut off...that's why i hate him. I hate him because he is taking up space in my favorite bbs forum in all the internets.

I mean, he isn't even in NBA2K8, but he is in the GARM 2k8.

but not for much longer... hahahahahha.

makes me so mad i want to troll a greek bbs about panakapolis or whatever team he's playing for and yell about how the US player on the bench isn't getting a fair chance to play.

or sumpin like that.

 

You said initially that if "early in the season" he got "a real chance to play" and he sucked, than you would have been fine with it. Well, that's a stretch of games right there where I think he had a real chance to play, and he didn't play well. And it wasn't garbage time either.

Also, I'm wondering if he was just relegated to a spot up shooting role, why on earth did he turn it over so much? What I said in my first or second post in this thread is that if he had such a high turnover rate as a guy who was just a spot up shooter, how could you possibly trust him to regularly run the team?

 

but you didn't include the game where he shot 1.000 %.

 

You are making the assumption that experimenting with Spanoulis would have jeopardized our position in the standings and hurt our chancing of advancing in the playoffs.

Most of us knew halfway into the season that we had NO CHANCE to advance with JVG running Rafer out there for 40 mpg and not exploring other options. We could not beat UTAH even with home court advantage, with Rafer running the point. What makes you think we would have had any chance against anybody else?????? I knew we had no chance against those guys. I was just hoping somehow we would sneak past Utah. In this case, the results were actually WORSE than I thought they would be.

To me, it takes a lot more assuming and faith to believe we would have been worse with VSpan than that we could possibly have been better with VSpan.

Jeff Van Gundy at no time ever gave Spanoulis the opportunity to run this team from the point position with the first unit........or any unit for that matter. Yet he continually ran Rafer out there to jack up shots he couldn't hit. When a team is making a run for the playoffs/championship, it ain't time to develop a player's weak spots and emphasize their weaknesses to make him a more well-rounded player. That's all offseason stuff. When the season starts and you are grinding towards the playoffs, the objective is to get the most out of every player, to emphasize their team strengths, and to minimize their weaknesses. If Rafer would have been a more effective player, I would have understood leaving VSpan parked on the bench so much. But that wasn't the case.

The mismanagement of VSpan as a player took place when Van Gundy consistently ran him out there at the 2 guard. He ain't a 2, never will be a 2. What kind of experiment was that? Running VSpan out there to play McGrady's position? Like that was going to help the team or help VSpan get better???? No.

AT THE VERY LEAST, Van Gundy could've developed VSpan during some of those blowouts we had where we were up by 25 going into the 4th. But he did not. Van Gundy wasted a whole year of opportunity to develop VSpan and help this club get better.

I agree a player has to earn the trust of the coach. But the problem with Van Gundy is he won't give rookies and young players that opportunity. He never has. He would NEVER have played Luther as a rookie if it wasn't for injuries. Luther would have never had the opportunity to earn the coach's trust. And to ignore Van Gundy's aversion for the Euro style player/game, you've got to stick your head in the sand.

Yes, I am critical of how JVG used TMac, absolutely. Another couple years of JVG and McGrady's career is over. JVG absolutely ran him into the ground. And the +11.5. Come on man. What Rafer did right was spend a lot of time on the floor with 111 and tote the JVG line.

 

That's a pretty poor reason to hate a guy. At least I hate francis because he's one of the most selfish players in the league and just has no likable qualities to him. Still so disappointed in morey for that decision cause francis's character just taints the rockets.

 

I was making a literal point. I don't "hate" him figuratively.

 

but we did experiment with him.

it's like making beer to prepare for october fest. you don't have much time to try different batches, but the party is coming and it won't wait for you. sometiems a batch just comes out wrong and you have to choke it down or try to pawn it off on your friends. but you are certainly not going to waste refrigerator space or you limited amount of bottling bottles to keep it fresh. some beers are only good enough for sitting on your bench outside in spent plastics cups where your dog will drink it.

 

Not an assumption. It's an expectation. The assumption is that there would have been greater uncertainty over our final position playing Spanoulis than there would be playing Rafer.

We were a couple minutes away from winning the series, with neither McGrady or Yao playing particularly strong and most of the role players not playing well either. And, yet, somehow you can definitively say that we didn't have a chance of winning it? I'm sorry, I can't buy that.

I'm sorry I can't respond to everything you say here. But, I just don't agree with the highlighted portion. In theory, that sounds nice, but I fall back on what I said before -- the objective is to get the most out of the team, not necessarily every individual. If you emphasize one player's strength more, then you risk taking away another's. As a result, it's entirely possible that one player's "strength" could end up being a team's weakness.

I think it absolutely could have helped V-Span's game, if he would have accepted the challenge and tried to make the best of it. There are no guarantees, but if he could earn some trust with his play, maybe he would have gotten more opportunities at PG.

Sure, no disagreements there.

Go back and take a look at the game logs early in in the 05/06 season. Luther was getting regular playing time, before the injuries. And Chuck is another counter-example (he finally came to his senses, thank goodness).

As for the Euro-player aversion, there aren't a ton of example to say there's an established pattern there. There was Nachbar, who was terrible, and Spanoulis. Anyone else?

 

Mirsad Turckan.

and he become the MVP of the Euroleague, but we never gave him a chance. I mean, not AT ALL. Not even one minute of playing time.

any remember the bbs member named Mirsad98 who used to get really pissed when people spelled his name Turkan or Turskan

 

This is documented as a complete and total lie and fabrication many times on this BBS.

Go back and read the game logs.

If you can read, you can plainly see Luther playing 20+ minutes (Reason: Luther does not suck donkey nuts like Spanoulis does) within the first few games of the season with a fully healthy SG rotation.

If you cannot read, because you have a hairy set of Hellenic man-orbs, reeking of ouzo, dangling in front of your face, then it is understandable for you not to be able to see this.

Saying that playing spanoulis would have developed him is like saying you should take take a turd and put it between two pieces of bread. At the end of the day it is still crap.

 

Wow, this marks the greatest victory of a spanoulis fan in this thread yet. Yes you pointed out the type-o/error. Congratulations.

Now, since you are supporting the "spanoulis wasn't ready yet!" camp - do we need to search "DaDakota" , "Spanoulis" and "Sam Cassell"?

 

he started chuck hayes, he played john lucas...he played young players...he just didnt play billy...you cant make rational points with the irrational...all they do is try and shout you down...

 

Hah....no victory, no change at ALL in my opinion, never will be....I am as stubborn as a mule.

HEEHAW baby !!!!!

Call it a typo, but I just chalk it up to a good ole Sam Fisher brain fart.

PFFFT !

As for the topic, I find it funny that you are still in here bashing over and over with the same rhetoric as ever, maybe it is time for a Sam Fisher time out.

DD

 

Oh I find it very funny. I have made it extremely clear that the last few remaining Span-lickers are about the funniest things around.

And the funniest thing of all is Spanoulis himself who just won't quit (unlike his NBA career, which he did quit) - I mean honestly, "man-to-mans is too difficult for me!" - you just can't make that kind of sh-t up. I mean, you used to polish his nuts by telling us what a great defensive player he was, lol, think of the irony there.

I love these threads. It is like watching videos of people get accidentally hit in the groin. It is wrong but funny. I think HP is wrong. I want these threads to continue. I hope Spanoulis goes on a whistlestop round-the-world tour to repair his reputation. I can't wait to see him pop up on The View.

 

Wasn't that during Rudy's days? And he never got anything with any other teams, either.


But since you are bringing him up, here's a picture of his sister: