VSPAN could barely contain himself on the Bench !!

vspan will play tonight

 

Shooting - Sam I am
Penetration - V-span to the rack, Sam on the pull up tweener shot, - Even
Court Vision - V-Span
Handle - Sam and V-Span about equal
Defense - V-Span by a mile
Intangibles - Incomplete, have to see V-Span play
Competitiveness - Even.

I think they are close to even, but I think V-Span's international experience makes him a bit more ready for the NBA, Sam was good at the US college level which is below the international level.

Anyway, I just hope that V-Span gets a chance to play, I just think he can provide a spark that this team desperatly needs.

DD

 

Wrong, dead wrong, as usual. You're fabricating things to suit your viewpoint as is your pattern of behavior.

Being an outstanding player for two years in the ACC in the early 90's = more significant than having one good game vs. the US in a summer exhibition tourney or scoring 10 ppg for Panthenaikos. One of these things is more like the NBA than the other.

 

WRONG DEAD WRONG, AS USUAL. please son!! the ACC aint above international comp.

 

Sorry little man, I'm guessing you were probably born, what, in the 80's or so? Well then I know this happened in grade school for you so I will educate you: playing a full season in the ACC in the 1990's (hell even afterwards) was not an easy road...it's not that easy today even though the college game has slipped since then. Scoring 20 ppg in the ACC back then > scoring 10 ppg in the greek league or euroleague.

Ask Sarunas Jasikevicus.

 

haha little man I know its pre-season and it doesnt matter but I believe we watched some pretty good games played by the international boys this past preseason against our NBA teams... until an ACC team does that in the pre-season i stand by my comment or maybe they have and i dont know? oh yeah and ask Pau GAsol b****

 

Or Drazen Petrovich, or Peja Stoyakavich, or Zrudunis Ilgalskis....come on Sam...International PROFESSIONAL leagues are a bit above college ball.

Sigh, this is just an argument not worth having with you as it is an opinion....and both of us clearly believe are own stubborn ways.

However, I do find you saying I am fabricating things to support my arguments ironic, as that is EXACTLY what you are doing, there is no way to prove your point and no way to prove mine.

And, funny how V-span in the game hustling and guarding the Knicks PG Marbury helped stop the Knicks run....no penetration for you !!

DD

 

VSpan all the way baby!

 

You guys are forgetting how much better college ball was in the early 90's AND overestimating how good the greek league is compared to early 90's college basketball.

 

Way to go V-Span. Great, great, great time on the court!

 

yeah but in europe they dont only play teams in their own country or league... they have tournies and friendlies much like soccer.

 

Umm, Spanoulis played for 1 season with a big club in the Euroleague and scored ~10 ppg.....Petrovic was an established superstar and multiple reigning European MVP (and even HE rode the bench in order to adjust to the NBA game....HE wasn't NBA ready).

Do you know that we're talking about the ACC in the mid 1990's? Duke? North Carolina? etc etc etc? From 1991-1993, the ACC probably had more NBA players pass through it's doors than the Greek league will produce for the next 100 years. Not to mention that the style of play is a LOT closer to the NBA than anything in the Greek First Division.

The argument that Cassell was not "NBA ready" when he was playing and excelling at the absolute highest level of basketball not called the NBA in existence at the time, and was uncommonly mature and fearless while doing it....is straight up freaking stupid, even for you, DaDakota.

 

LOL, looks like I overestimated. I peg you as being born around 1991 or 92, no wonder you don't remember it and obviously know nothing about it.

The Jasikevicus reference obviously flew right over your head. Do some investigation about his college career.

 

LOL - There you go again leaping to conclusions trying to make a point while calling others names....sad, Sammy, just sad.

The ACC had it's fair share of good players in the 90s, but they also had guys that would not see the floor in the professional European leagues.

And, instead of you trying to twist my points to make yours, I am saying that V-Span (RIGHT NOW) in his rookie season is more prepared than a 22 year old Sam Cassell.

I don't care how many players were in the ACC during Cassel's years...we are not talking about them, Homey....we are talking about a 25 year old V-Span and a 22 year old Cassell.

And it is a tired argument which neither you nor I can win.......at the end of the day, V-Span's play will tell the story.

Tonight he played very well for his first time in REAL action.

DD

 

Well, nice to see the "not ready yet" Vspan get on the floor and not only not pee in his pants but make some solid contributions to keeping the Knicks from starting a run on us. It is so nice to see a Rockets guard stay in front of his man while defending. Nice stop on the fast break - almost a steal. Nice hoop move that Yao followed and put back in.

He's not Michael Jordan yet but then he's no Charlie Ward either.

Go Billy!

 

LOL, yes there are some walk-ons who wouldn't. That's why those guys didn't play.

Florida State started a 1-2-3 lineup of Charlie Ward, Sam Cassell and Bob Sura (and IIRC Rodney Dobard who was a decent big man for college)....and they weren't even one of the dominant teams in the ACC!.

Off the top of my head:

Kenny Anderson
Tim Duncan
Randolph Childress
Grant Hill
Joe Smith
Stephon Marbury
Rodney Rogers
Antwan Jamison
Rasheed Wallace
Vince Carter
Jerry Stackhouse
Christian Laetner
Bobby Hurley

These guys all played within a five year stretch - that doesn't even count guys who were drafted really high yet weren't that good in the NBA (e.g. Sharone Wright)

Considering that YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY IN GREECE, pardon me when I laugh at you for making this judgment.

Which makes it ironic that hte 22 year old Cassell was doing more on a more difficult stage than a 25 year old Spanoulis....yet you're making the argument that Spanoulis is somehow "more ready" despite doing less, on an easier plane.

That's because you lost the second you excreted it.

 

No, I just watched him in INTERNATIONAL competition against players that are MUCH better than the ACC and not only hold his own but do very well.

There you go again, talking out your anus and spouting opinion like it was fact.....The ACC is better than the Euro professional leagues...blah..blah..blah...and pure BS.......as are most of your opinions about basketball.

Blah..blah..blah.....no point for you soup boy !!

DD

 

VSpan (11/20/06): 12 min, 0-1 fg, 0 rb, 1 as, 1 to, 2 pf, 0 pts
Cassell (11/20/93): 7 min, 1-2 fg, 1 rb, 2 as, 1 to, 2 pf, 2 pts
(next game): 21 min, 1-7 fg, 6 rb, 5 as, 4 to, 0 pf, 3 pts
(next game): 23 min, 6-13 fg, 2 rb, 1 as, 1 stl, 2 to, 3 pf, 15 pts

Their careers might actually follow a similar pattern as far as minutes due to injury (unless Bonzi comes on). Both 11/20's were the third game each saw minutes. 3 of the 4 games Cassell started (with him playing about 20 min) during that span he put up double digits, then his minutes fall again.

We'll see what Spanoulis does with his minutes. Tonight was as expected - good energy, pesky D, a little hesitant on offense, never even tried to shoot.