VSPAN could barely contain himself on the Bench !!

let the european kobe play already

 

I think the Rockets have had definite opportunities to win 2 or 3 more games than they did and we blew it, once by not playing Hayes in the 2nd half agaisnt Utah when it was obvious that he was the defender to assign to Carlos Boozer who single handedly won the game for them, and a couple of the other losses where the opponent's guards torched us to kingdom come and coach was not willing to try Spanoullis defensively to slow the onslaught.

 

I am on the fence about that, I could see that happening, yes.

I could also see him being told from above to play V-Span.

I just don't think JVG wanted V-Span and will be loathe to play him.

DD

 

by watching preseaon... most of us thought killbill and supernovak were gonna be in the rotation

 

Not a problem... he said it at the beginning of the season here's one about the conditioning and stamina and inconsistant minutes

never a need to challenge me on Chuck.. anyone else.. yes.. but not Chuck.

And for the record.. I have never met Hayes and won't pretend that I have... just followed his career since he was a freshman UK.

 

oh sorry about double posting, I forgot to add that the original link is highlighted as Chuck's name. Since I copied the whole article you won't "need" to click on it, but just shows that I didn't write it myself - since I'm untrustworthy and all

 

That is just silly. Cassell averaged 18 ppg both years at Florida State (shooting 50%) and over 20 both JuCo years. His numbers accross the board were better than VSpan's in Europe. And, yes, playing well at a US college shows better NBA readiness than being a role player in Europe. Remember this past Euro season was VSpan's first at the top level.

Further, Cassell did not really start getting minutes until mid December (he started in 3 games in November due to injury), only played 66 games, the only month where he played double digit minutes in every game was March, and despite the late heavier minutes still only averaged 17 per game.

I love the potential of VSpan but it is silly to get upset that he has only played sparingly during the first 10 games (I hope he plays more, too, but I would prefer he earn it).

 

You just blew your whole case with that statement.

"let him earn it!" Yes indeed please let him earn it. Give him a few minutes when the Rockets are struggling and see what he does. What do you got to lose, if he stops the bleeding then give him a few more. If he blows it so be it the Rockets were blowing it without him anyway and this way he can gain some experience maybe help us win some games we might otherwise have lost. And if he blows it at least then noone can say JVG didn't give him the opportunity. But the way it stands now the Rockets are losing big leads, half the board hates JVG and Vspan is rotting on the bench.

LET HIM EARN IT!

 

Hi everyone,

This is the first time i am writing to this forum and i'd like to introduce my self:
My name is Panayiotis (similar to Peter in English) and i would like to give my congratulations for this forum...Excellent job everybody!!It's great to see people like you and me who love basketball sitting and talking about the Rox..I know sometimes things can get preety ugly when different opinions are heard,but that's totally natural when it comes to a fan.
I used to be a player of Iraklis,a Greek team which has given a leg up to many greek talents(Diamantidis,Schortsianitis,Papadopoulos,Chatzivrettas for those who remember the recent world championships).
The reason i'm saying all this, is for you to understand that i have some basketball experience and not just talking about it without having any knowledge or clue about sports.

IMO, as much subjective as it can be, KillBill should have at least some PT in the last two games..Basketball,either European or American, is still a TEAM sport. As a team sport, win or loss is a result of all player's effort and is not a reflection of one or two player stats.
Basic rule 1: When your starters and first options coming off the bench doesn't give their 100%,then you should look for an alternative. I'm not saying that the starters are not trying,but every athlete(and only an athlete) knowns that no matter how well trained you are,you can't play intense for every single game..That's why NBA teams have a rotation of 12 activate players( plz correct me if i'm wrong) and European have 15.
When teams collapse like the Rox did in 4q against Detroit,Chicago you have 2 options:
A)Just wait and see if someone of your "30 min.PT" player suddenly awakes and gives a burst to the rest
B) Take the risk and put the rookies in.

The 1st possibility is almost imposible..i may sound a bit unreasonable, but the truth is this:the burst of a tired team comes from a intense,young and fresh player.
The second option has a risk and probably results to a loss. But i think it's better to try and do something than just sit and watch a collapse and pray for a miracle...Put V-span and Novak in such type of games when all others fail and see what happen....then everyone can judge
I know KillBill, his patience and persistence is over the limits and i believe the same stands for Novak. But when things turn ugly,JVG should give them the chance to make their effort as well.

Keep up the good work everyone and sorry for my long speech and my bad English

 

I'm pretty sure you can earn it via practice session. I had to earn playing time in practice sessions in High School then in game time i had to justified i earned that playing time..........I'm pretty sure none of you know how Vspan plays in practice

 

welcome to the forum

enjoy the differences between us posters....it is pretty interesting

VSpan will get his time...with or without JVG

 

Uhhh...ok. My whole case was that Cassell was more proven than VSpan as a rookie.

My sentence that "blew my whole case" was just an aside on my thoughts for VSpan this year - I want him to play but only because I want him to adapt and get into the NBA grove. I think he will be good off the bench when he does. Obviously, I wish for that to be sooner rather than later (and it would be fine if JVG threw him in there to see if he is ready to earn it). But I am not going to say he is being wasted and JVG sucks, won't play rookies, etc. 10 games into the season. 30 games I will be annoyed.

Thanks for trying to make me feel bad/stupid, though. You are a badass.

 

To JVG: Let VSPAN play.
To VSPAN: Please be patient, your time will come.

 

Rimbaud,

If Sam Cassell was such a sure fire hit, why did he slide all the way to the 20s on draft day?

Because there were questions about his foot speed, his court awareness, whether he could play the point as he was more of a scoring guard etc.

But, once he got here, Rudy saw he could play, and put him on the court with Veteran players to minimize his mistakes, and by the time the playoffs arrived, Sam was ready.

I think it is a similar case for V-Span, there are questions, but unless he gets on the court, the answers will be a long time in coming. JVG is stubborn, and has said he did not see what CD saw in V-Span, etc.....

V-Span looked GREAT in the preseason, or awful, but at least he played hard, and THAT is something this team desperatly needs, someone to PUSH the rest of the players and to energize them....V-Span can fill that role, in just a few short minutes.

JVG is stuck in the 90s, he wants a PG that protects the ball and shoots 3 pointers, thus the reason he traded Mike James for Rafer Alston, less turnovers etc.....

Well, the NBA is geared towards having attacking perimeter players, and JVG has 4 of them on the Rockets, TMac, Snyder, V-SPan, and JL3......

Synder is not that great at ball handling so he is not really an option, but JL3, and V-Span are......and V-Span has the size and court vision to really make a difference.

IMHO !!

DD

 

He is a rookie. He is not ready. He makes tons of turnovers. Blah,blah....

When your team is abused by opponent backcourt again and again and again...

and your team routinely collapse in the 4th court,

and it's your contract year,

and you probably only have Van Gundier and Durvasa as your supporter here at this moment,

and you have a guy sitting on the bench has a chance doing better than the one on the court,

you know the trouble is coming. Big time.

 

if i was jVG i would of tried Vspan and Novak already

but I am not

I want to say that I hope yall understand where JVG is coming from...that we are looking at the problem differently to him

and since he is the coach getting paid millions because of his experience and achievements..and because he talks, trains and scrutinizes the players every practice and every game together with all the other assistant coaches

and we are just a bunch of casual fans who can only watch the players when they are actually playing a game

I would give him the benefit of the doubt 99 out of 100 times

 

While I agree that he is the coach and more knowledgeable then most fans. I do not think that makes him infallible.

And, I believe he is being influenced by his contract situation, becoming risk averse if you will.

There are good coaches and bad ones, and they are human and make mistakes.

JVG has even admitted to his mistake of cutting Hayes last year.

JVG is a good coach, but I am concerned he is not a championship coach.

It doesn't take a genius to see that zone defenses help out, yet it has taken JVG nearly 3 years to even put a zone into the rotation. It doesn't take a genius to realize that with the new "no touch on the perimeter" rules the game is suited for the attacking player. Which JVG has noticed after a couple of years and is asking TMac to attack more often, but he needs to find another player that can attack....and it SHOULD be your PG.

Look around the league, attacking PGs are very important to winning teams....and JVG continues to want to add PGs that don't attack, but are good at protecting the ball.....ala, Brunson, and Ward, and Alston etc.....

The problem with that is if they are not hitting their 3 pters, then their lack of footspeed is exposed on the defensive end, and it becomes a severe mismatch in the other team's favor.

We have a problem in that we are too predictable on offense, and if all cylinders are not firing that particular night we don't have a fall back plan in place to try something else....ala attacking the rim.....

DD

 

I am a bigger fan of Pjackson than Jeff

so I aint tryint to protect him LOL....but I do think that he has done more good than bad to the team and right now he is the best we got

And I think creativity is definitely one of his weaknesses...but on the bright side..he is a hard nosed coach who is a huge advocate of fundamentals...something that will yield wins hopefully sooner than later

 

who knows how about his performance in practice??? i expect to see him on court as soon as possible!!

 

so what's the bet you want to make?