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VP Debate -- Biden vs. Palin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Oct 2, 2008.

  1. declan32001

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    The era of W has gotten us fewer press conferences (by more than half) than any president in the 20th century, and now we have a veep candidate that can't even handle interviews?

    Where is accountability? How stupid do we want our leaders to be?
     
  2. DaDakota

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    I can not speak for everyone, but in Circle C in our neighborhood parties, it is the prevailing opinion by a lot.

    Most of the moms are asking "how she can run for the office with a special needs baby?"

    It may not be popular with feminist groups, but most of the moms we know believe this way.

    DD
     
  3. michecon

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    Wow, your reply is very much perceived "Palin", which is to say I don't see any relevance AT ALL.

    Damn those Alaskans, they are not not like us, LOL.
     
  4. michecon

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    delete for redundancy
     
    #584 michecon, Oct 3, 2008
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  5. DaDakota

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    They certainly have a unique set of issues in Alaska, that the lower 48 do not share.

    I am sure she is very conversant on the issues facing her sparsely populated Alaska.

    But, she is not running for anything in Alaska, but rather representing the other 49 states in the Union as well and needs to have a much broader view.

    Right now, her view is pretty narrow based upon the few answers she has been allowed to give to the press when interviewed.

    Therefore most of America is now coming to the same conclusion - that she is not qualified....it is only the die hards on the Republican side and evangelicals which are holding the line.

    The polls show that her numbers are dropping...and dropping fast.....

    DD
     
  6. michecon

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    Your ability of welding from baby-holding Alaskans to other issues is masterful, good job. At least we are talking of something as more substance.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    The other bit was an observation not germaine to the overall subject of this thread.

    I was mearly agreeing that we had noticed it too, and that there is a social judgement being made about her because of it.

    DD
     
  8. IROC it

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    Actually... I take it that they don't talk much.
     
  9. IROC it

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    And yet, Romans was written well after Jesus was crucified. Figure that one out.


    Furthermore, I don't see either nominee taking us the way of the Nazi regime. ;)
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Well they've co-sponsored several bills or amendments together. It seems like they've probably talked enough to call each other by their first name.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    That is because it is McCain/Palin instead of Palin/McCain.

    ;)

    DD
     
  12. MadMax

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    Baffled, honestly. I've read all sorts of commentary about it...and given the examples I supplied, I just can't see bowing down to the authorities on everything they might ask. I don't think that's an absolute.
     
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    I'd liked to know when "we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon" and how he and Barack "said put UN troops in there to fill the void."


    When did the US attack Lebanon?



    I'd like to know how he equates money spent in combat in Iraq to money spent to build infrastructure in Afghanistan (essentially apples to oranges) and everyone let's it slide like he had some valid point?


    I'd like to know how he gets a pass on a basic misrepresentation of Article 1 of the US Constitution?


    I'd like to know how he can blatantly lie that McCain voted as Obama did on the increase in taxes?


    I'd still like him to answer the question of how he votes yes, supports McCain during the primaries, attacks Obama for his lack of experience and his need for "on the job training" and now somehow defends him...



    "Obiden" indeed... The answers my friends, are found in the political wind. If it's blowing issues in front of people, and you find yourself under scrutiny, make up stuff and change your positions to the hard left view.


    Palin's name gaffe on Biden was more than a Freudian slip.
     
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    You and I both know better than what you're suggesting I meant in saying I would also pray for the elected POTUS.


    Why would you bring an attack on theology into that?


    I'm honestly baffled at the reasoning behind it. It's not the place... we both know that scripture has never said to obey the government without first obeying the Word of God when it supersedes the government.


    We all know that if the government came out and said, "Hey, it is now mandatory to steal, kill, and disobey your parents" Christians would not follow that.

    No one even suggested that the absolutes of Romans 13 (read it for then and there) were directly applicable to the here and now...

    Why insinuate that Paul even meant it like that, while writing it from prison?

    It was/is a text on the common sense of obeying the law... and praying for those in leadership... because as God is sovereign, He has allowed all things to transpire in a "lawful" society. The admonition was/is to cooperate with government when government is, or becomes, amiable to the cuase of Christ. Paul was teaching about the need to understand that the world's governments will keep on existing, and that believers would be better served to work with them than try and fight them.


    Answer one two-phased thing for me here... do you think it is illegal to distribute Bibles in the PRC? And then, should Christians do that?
     
  15. rhester

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    Tell them both that these kind of challenges are usually handled one of two ways-

    1. If Ms. Palin will allow it and love that special needs baby more than the job itself, she will suffer much to be both mother and public servant; but she will grow tremendous character and leadership under this pressure. It will only enhance her future and she will be a more effective leader wherever she ends up serving.

    2. If Ms. Palin neglects the special needs (which is unlikely if she is anything of a mother) of that baby, she will miss the sacrifice and pain it takes to be a true leader and become another politician instead.

    Right now she is more mother than politician and she better hold on to that if she is to be useful to America, Alaska or whatever she will be in the future.
     
  16. MadMax

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    i'm really sorry..i didn't mean it as a theological attack. i wasn't trying to impute anything on to you at all.
     
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    Hardy harrr... good one.


    FWIW - Hitler had kids singing about him, and had multi-media propaganda campaigns as well. He even spoke in front of columns very often. ;)
     
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    Nor did I... I was only trying to agree that I will ALWAYS pray for whomever the POTUS is. Always have... and my Scriptural basis for that is in Romans 13.

    That was all I was trying to do. To say that for the "hatred" some "right wingers" seem to spew for all things "left" or even "Dem," once a person is my POTUS he/she is equally covered in prayer.

    I make people mad during this whole process at church, because I constantly point out that I prayed just as much for Clinton as I have Bush, as my father prayed for Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, etc...

    Scriptural obligation knows no party affiliation... and if, God forbid, someone did take us the road of a Nazi regime... Jesus said Himself, "love your enemies" and "pray for those who despitefully use you" so I think that would also supersede the issue. ;) ;)
     
  19. DaDakota

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    LOL - I am not telling them anything, I am just listening to what they are saying.

    When talking about the virtues of being a mother, far be it from me to intervene.

    DD
     
  20. MadMax

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    all true....agreed and i understand your point now. thanks. sorry again for confusion.
     

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