Vote on recent incident in killing of Tibetian pilgrams

but an overwhelming 70% find it to be a violation of human rights.

 

and you are on ignore as I agree with you that your debate tactics are non-existant.

Regards,
Brock

 

I'm one of them. I'm certain that China has committed human rights violation in Tibet. That's not the subject of my debate with NewYorker.

 

I don't think there is too much argument whether there is human rights violation. However the main question is whether that blurry video confirmed an on-going genocide. Since it's a private pool, and nobody knows who voted what; however, combining the 2 related threads, I only find one poster claimed it's an ongoing genocide, and that blurry video reflected that. I haven't seen any other poster stepping forward to agree with those 2 accusations. All the heavy argument started from that false accusation.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

Again, you are putting words in others' mouth. Do you understand what genocide means?

Native americans have been replaced by europeans. I don't know what you want Chinese do. Do you want all hans leave Tibet? If so, you must want all non-indians leave north america, right? Do you want Tibetans rule Tibet? If so, you must want native indians rule USA, right?

I am telling you, there are more non-tibetans than tibetans in Tibet nowadays, just like there are far more whites and blacks than native indians in north america. Even you put it to a vote, nothing is gonna change. The majority rules.

 

I don't think it's a fair comparison between Han Chinese in Tibet and European settlers in America. Chinese has a long history of territory claim over Tibet area, and it was well-documented. No matter whether there was blurry period or different claims, the difference was about the time and period. However, European countries NEVER had any historical claim or even remote tie with America. People came over and wiped out the majority of lives in this land, not to mention culture. It's was planned and systematic killing of population. That's clearly genocide.

In Tibet, there was never systematic killing, even during the darkest period of CR in China. Lots of people were killed during the rebel, and many people starved during GLF, but it was never a generalized, planned and systematic ethnical cleansing.

Tibetans were never REPLACED by Han Chinese, because they are still in Tibet. But to claim that Han Chinese are migrating to Tibet is some sort of genocide, is as ridiculous as claiming that Indian people committed genocide in Scarborough, Ontario, Canada, because they replaced original local white people; or Indian people are commiting genocide in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, because they are replacing them. Wait, maybe that is indeed an Indian genocide on local white people.

 

I don't even bother to tell certain posters that there has never been a systematic killing of Tibet, comparable to the killing of native indians. They choose to believe what the tibetan exiles say and nothing can change their minds.

Do you see what the situation is? Some people, who've NEVER been to Tibet, and only listened to some tibetan exiles who used to be slavemasters and who have not been to Tibet for the past 50 years, claim that they know the truth better than those who have been to Tibet. It is so absurd that I don't know where to start.

 

What a worthless poll. You know full well what the results are going to be. The sample is totally not random. It's like polling delegates at the GOP convention about who's going to win the presidential election, and then concluding that the Republican candidate will win 100% of the vote.

Try putting this on a Chinese BBS. I assure you the results will be diametrically opposed to each other.

 

Are you saying that a relatively random sample of English speaking Houston Rockets fans will have an anti-China bias?

 

What did you expect?.. you are sitting there and calling us everyname under the sun.

 

So we all shouldn't have the voting right, only native indians can vote, right?

 

Our being here is a mistake now? Why don't we correct the mistake then? It is too late for the indians because you don't want to leave right? Well, I guess it is too late for the tibetans too.

 

More like we're not allowed to vote for Native American tribal councils in reservations even if we live there. Reservations are given large amounts of autonomy and are exempted from almost all federal and state regulation.

That sort of autonomous model is what NewYorker is probably talking about, and its certainly what the Dalai Lama has called for. China can handle defense, national security, and that jazz but when it comes to local regulations, that should be handled by the Tibetans.