Vote on recent incident in killing of Tibetian pilgrams

Let me repeat this again, there is NO "WE" or "US" in your department. MFW called YOU - NewYorker, a moron, not any other Americans, nor any other posters. You are the only one spitting out this kind of garbage:

I despise dishonest people, and I hate 2-faced clowns with a passion. You acted tough on a message board with your pretending "anti-PC" stance. In real life, do you dare to pose like that? Do you dare to say in front of your colleagues that you like to rub Chinese colleagues in the wrong way, love to get their goat, and it's really funny to you? Even if you are in the executive management of largest company in New York, you will be fired without discussion. Maybe you can then start to claim your noble intention to fight against PC. Even if you are still an a$$ in real life, you will be a 2-faced, fake but political correct a$$.

I am more and less biased in any debate I entered, and many posters are. But still, other posters are here to discuss some issue and debate, but you are here to troll and insult a whole ethnical group, in many related threads. Yes, I am calling you out, and many other posters are calling you out, even after you labeled some non-Chinese American posters as "Chinese posters".

Can you point out one single poster on this board, who's there with you to form a "WE" or "US", to insult the whole ethnical Chinese group? Let's hear about it, and wait and see whether he/she agrees with you.

 

I was thinking of staying out of this thread but as a Chinese-American I don't see either Chinese or Americans coming off very well here.

This line of reasoning is fairly weak as many of the posters who are criticizing the PRC have also very harshly criticized the US Governments actions in Iraq. You can ask posters like Basso, Hayestreet, Giddyup and others who support the US Administration about what sort of criteria this board in general applies to the US government. According to them this board is chock full of the hate America crowd of the likes of Sam Fishers, New Yorkers and Deckards.

So yes many of the posters who you are accusing of having a double standard don't and criticize the US as much, actually more so since US topics are more common here than PRC topics, as the PRC.

Actually we are tryng to replace the culture. That's the whole point of GW Bush's argument of bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East is somehow changing them into westernized secularists.

But that's a minor point.

You complain about how negative Chinese posters are yet you don't hesitate to call them brainwashed goons? Civility is as civility does. Certainly this is a heated issue but at the same time you, New Yorker and a few others seem quick to stereotype all the Chinese posters as being brainwashed goons. If you notice they actually agree with many of your points regarding human rights violations in the PRC and even criticize the CCP. That certainly doesn't sound like the actions of brainwashed goons of the CCP?

I would say they get your goat too since you also seem to get heated over this subject and have also engaged in name calling. Further again I find it hypocritical of someone like you who has argued before that you don't want your background used against you and that people can overcome their background, since as an Indian you can not be offended by the term "Maccaca". To now go around accusing the Chinese posters of all being trapped by their background. Have you considered giving them the consideration that you would like others to extend to you?

Obviously I don't agree with other Chinese posters on the issues of Tibet. I don't agree with most of them on several issues including Taiwan. What I do understand these are sensitive issues and while I think Chinese do occasionally get very defensive over such issues its better to debate the openly and respectfully than go around stereotyping and name calling.

And that goes for both sides.

 

I appreciate your even handedness on these topics and your ability to be objective.

In all fairness, I only called the brainwashed goon a brainwashed goon. I don't kick dogs, I'm not mean to old people but sometimes you have to call them like you see them.

Regards,
Brock

 

Planned cultural assimilation is kind of cultural genocide.

I face the reality that you are trying to use behaviors to suggest intent when it comes to China, but abandoning it when it comes to America. The reality is this lack of consistency renders your postion on China's affairs hypocrite.

See, when it comes to America, your home country, you stopped using its behaviors against the Iraqis to suggest intent. Instead, you resort to proclaimation of intent to suggest intent. This is blatant double standard. I am not gonna waste my time with you unless you face the reality of your double standard.

Good day.






Regards,
Brock[/QUOTE]

 

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I agree. You shouldn't waste the time. I was totally against the war on Iraq from the get go. Afghanistan was a primary target, and for good reason. You could possibly make a case for Saudi Arabia as well. And Syria. North Korea.

Iraq? I didn't see it. At the time we invaded there was a resolution by the UN that would have placed essentially an occupying force inside Iraq through peaceful means. Saddam was resisting these efforts and if all had gone through as planned we would have had many allies if an invasion became necessary. The illusion that Iraq was a direct threat to the United States at that time was ludicrous. The fact that terrorists weren't there in Iraq until we came in is a sad irony.

We as American people were told lies from our government before the invasion and we still hear them from our president now. I always looked at this situation objectively and not emotionally. I knew it was a mistake. Invasion of that country may have become necessary at some point for the safety of the world, but at that time it was not. I have no doubts that once Iraq was given a clean bill of health that Saddam would have started back up. Now look at our country as a result of this invasion ("intervention" as one poster uses it in his signature). Our position is weeker in the eyes of the world. Our troops are spread thin so that not only can we not get "mission accomplished" in Afghanistan we can't put teeth into any of our threats towards North Korea.

Add to that a very tenuous reltionship with nuclear Pakistan and the world is an interesting place these days. Bye cold war. Hello cold war.

You will have to point me to your thread on American policy instead of debating this here, however, as this thread happens to be about CHINA and TIBET. Your consistent defense of the Chinese government's actions in Tibet based on actions of America does nothing for me.

the parallels between terrorists and the Tibetan people that you continue to make simply don't make sense to me. You are raised to believe that those people are terrorists and with today's climate any country can take an action and use that excuse. It still doesn't make it true and it certainly doesn't justify terrible actions.

Regards,
Brock

 

So NewYorker is Indian? Red dot? There's a few Indians in my dept and they get really fired up about politics. Not surprising with NewYorker then I guess.

 

This site is run by americans. you dont like it, take a hike.

 

This part is funny. If I BrockStrapper came on and said I raped his and your moms last night, I say I didn't do it because that I really didn't, I am obviously being defensive.

And you are not here to debate are you? Idiots like you don't know the first thing about debates.

 

And you are an ignorant moron. By the way, that is not my debate tactic, but it is the statement of a fact.

 

Did I tell you that this is another standard American debate tactic?

 

You took the words out of my mouth. I am a proud Chinese American and I take pride in both my Chinese heritage and my American citizenship. After seeing what has transpired between the posters here, it makes me sick to my stomach and it makes me question what do I really represent in the whole grand scheme of things.

 

NewYorker:

29-17 without counting the "Other" votes. I guess most people on this board do NOT think this is genocide.

 

Ideally, you should represent what's right in you mind. Although it's hard, because no matter how hard one tries, no one can be 100% objective.

 

Well, I can certainly attest that the situation is messed up.

However, I don't think this isolated incident is the best representative of what's going on in Tibet. For one thing, I don't know if the facts in the video are accurate and I don't know how the footage was cut. You ask what motivation do Romanians have to badmouth China, they don't. However, the media likes controversies and they get more viewers if they can entice them to watch their program. Nothing makes viewers watch a news segment quite like one on human rights violation. That may be a generalization, but that's what I think.

China has proven to torture and execute people on quite a few accounts, and I believe any of those accounts would be a better representation to your view.

I don't exactly know what constitute as a genocide, but I believe that if we are to call this genocide, it would lessen the impact of what the word is associated (e.g. Holocaust and Ruwanda). I can agree with you that many bad things are happening in Tibet. I also believe that there are some good elements in the work as well (e.g. hospitals, longer life expectancy, free choice of religion and the abolishment of a religious regime filled with slavery and cruel human rights violation on it's own accord), while you believe that it's genocide. I hope we can agree to disagree on this because I'm losing interest in participating on this subject. At the same time, if you continue to belittle my homeland, you will find yourself successful in "goating" me.