Yeah, actually I did, over and over that they were not contenders that year, and that Rafer was not the answer and VSpan needed a shot to see if he was part of the future, posted hundreds of times about this.....and you know it, stop being disingenious....and coming into threads just to snipe and not contribute. Now that your boy JVG was fired, I doubt you are even a Rockets fan anymore, anyway. Most other fan boards would have posters that understand the guy was in the top 9 players at the end of the year and is HARDLY a 15th man any longer. But, why would we want to keep a guy who is improving. Look, I am done, I have spoken my piece, and taken the flak from the snipers. Let's just wait and see what happens. DD
That's hardly fair. True he did make the team as the 15th man, but his play in preseason made most of think he'd get real minutes last year. So essentially he really wasn't the 15th man by the team the season began.
Link ? Or how do you know this? And you don't have to be uber intelligent to succeed in the game of basketball, Moses Malone was amazing on the court, but not so amazing off of it.... DD
Not everything comes by way of links. When you are around the team enough or people around the team, you just know things.
clearly I was being facetious. i was just trying to put into perspective the fact that if our FO is capable of finding guys like Von on the scrap heap once, then they can do it again if need be. having such a long discussion about the merits of a guy like this is way overdoing it, imo.
The problem is HMD, is that I have been following the Rockets for more than 37 years and I can count on my hand the number of times they got a player like this off the scrap heap, it just doesn't happen that often. DD
yep. just like i know Luther and AB both wear a size 12, Yao's Olympics edition shoe was fugly as hell, Shane had three pictures of himself in his locker, etc. cant link you to those either though.
You know what Von was this time last year? A 4 team jouneyman with NBA experience of a grand total of 227 minutes. With your current disposition, you would have never brought him in. Especially not over a proven NBA commodity at the time like Gerald Green. Curiously enough, Gerald Green averaged 10.4 points in 22 minutes his second year in the NBA as a 21 year old, despite his boneheadedness. You could make the same argument for Green then as you are for Von now. He has elite athleticism. He is young and improving. However, the Rocket's management, ie. professionals not internet armchair GMs, thought it was worth it to let him go, and bring in Von instead. Now, where has Green's youth and potential and athleticism led him? His boneheadedness has led him to the verge of being out of the league. Now fast forward a year, and we are at a similar predicament. The same management that brought Von over in the first place, when he was completely under the radar, thinks he isn't worth it anymore. And have brought in Taylor and Budinger. Now before you dismiss them as 2nd rounder fodder, as you would have last year in Von's case, why not trust in the evaluations of a professional sports club instead. Not just because they have infinitely more resources than any of us(yours being 2 summerleague games at best), but because they have been proven right time and again.
Von Wafer was good for last season's team. He was featured coming off the bench because the team was not very athletic. McGrady's points had to come from somewhere and Von did a nice - fabulous job. But Von was not a team player, the man would shoot even if he had a hand in his face. Granted he made his share, but they were not the best of shots. I think Von thinks he's the next Kobe or Lebron James. But for this season's team, I think Von would do nothing but hurt the team. Ego's must be checked at the door for this squad. Let's get things straight, I deduce that Artest was not brought back because he did his own thing as well - Clutch has talked about how there were problems with him not running the coaches plays. If the 2009/2010 Rockets win, it will be because of discipline on defense and offense. Von Wafer is a hired gun; I too was upset at his bickering that got him kicked out of the playoff game; he wanted points to get a bigger contract this summer; good for him. But unlike DaDakota I don't see Von contributing to victories as much as I see him contributing to his stats for his subsequent contract.
There were a handful of naysayers, myself included. The problem is that you always act so damn sure about a guy's future when in reality there's no way for any of us to know. When it doesn't go as you think you make excuses. Just look at what you're saying about Swift: everyone was wrong, so I wasn't really wrong! No DD, you were wrong about him. You were just as wrong about him as you were about Langhi. This time everyone was just drinking the kool-aid with you.
Swift? Yeah, I thought he would do great in Houston, clearly I was wrong about that. Same with Langhi, those are the exceptions that prove the rule. DD
out of that 37 years, how many times have we had a FO with the attention to detail that this one has? if my suspicions are correct, this coming year is not a "win at all costs" kind of year like last year was. I think the Rockets would be ok allowing players like Taylor and Budinger try to fill Von's role so they can evaluate what they have. If it's going to be a transition kind of year, you might as well develop some new assets. I think the thing that should speak to Von's value the most is that there werent a ton of teams lining up to get him away from us. He wasn't discussed as a top target for any theam, despite everything he did, and all his Sportscenter highlights. the market will usually dictate the value of an asset just with the nature of supply and demand. clearly the demand for him was limited, because his price never really went up.
Wrong. You only posted that when you felt like it to justify your arguments for one of your favorites playing in spite of the fact that he was very obviously not an NBA caliber player, and you only posted this when you were not taking the mutually inconsistent argument that he was precisely the type of player that the Rockets needed to win in the short term, due to his superior passing and defensive soundess (lol!) Anyway, here's DaDakota on how the 2007 Rockets (53-27) were a rebuilding project from day 1:
You just got repped! It's amazing how analogous Gerald Green's situation is to Wafer's. People b****ed and moaned when we let Green go too. OMG the potential!
What, no links again...... Please post links, as you are clearly cherry picking arguments and probably as per usual Sam Fisher snipe attack.....taking them out of context. And again, as much as you like to snipe, this is a Von Wafer thread, please feel free to join in the discussion. DD
