do your really think wafer has trade value? :grin: i think rockets will not sign the 15th man before do tmac trade.
I really hope we can get him soon, our offense is really lacking as of lately. AB and Carl are the only ones stepping up.
Apparently your English comprehension isn't on par with your test taking abilities... I can totally see why Ariza and his all around all star ball skills totally make him the number one option. He has all the wheelchair bound defenders shaking as i type...
Perhaps the problem is with you. No where in your post did you talk about Ariza as the #1 option. If you had, I would've agreed with you and not responded. However, you said neither Wafer nor Ariza make the Rockets better. You're an idiot. That, or you just had an extreme lapse in judgment. Ariza is most certainly not a #1 option, and probably won't be a #2 option either. But to say the Rockets are worse with him in the lineup vs. the Rockets without him in the lineup is dumb on so many levels. So, back to step one. False. Try again.
LOL, you must be new to professional basketball. Thats like you getting one free donut hole with every stale donut you buy.
No, I think that sounds silly. Just as silly as investing money by way of paying for Budinger's draft rights and contract, then trade him away because Wafer is waiting in the wings.
lets see...i mentioned Ariza and Wafer... Was there someone else mentioned? NO? The discussion according to the thread is bringing in Von and sitting Ariza...you know the whole "Houston has no legitimate SG" thing. Obviously you can't comprehend either. Where exactly did I say Ariza Makes the Rockets Worse? AHHHH, I didn't, i simply stated he doesn't make them better. Which he does not, he plays a role, does it ok i suppose, but does nothing IMO, to warrant him being a considerable upgrade over Artest(who i don't care for either). Ariza is a decent player, he just doesn't fit in the Rockets line up, or under RA's system. I'd like to see some evidence to show something to the contrary to make me believe otherwise. Ariza would fit better on a team like the Lakers or Cleveland, where he is NOT expected to do what most have expected him to do here. So, once again, neither make the team "better" hence our current record. Are you implying that Ariza, for the amount he is being paid, and the current amount of games played...has warranted the "good team player" seal of approval? IMO he does not, nor will he ever, not as long as RA's system is in place. Ariza would have fit alot better under the Van Gundy system IMO. Does Wafer bring more offensively? of course, i don't question that, but at what expense to the team? Doesn't TMAC do the same? And isn't he the same type of Cancer? I'm an idiot...such deep thinking, what's next, gay jokes???
My only issue with your statement was Ariza - I could care less about Wafer until he's a Rocket. My post was directed at you claiming Ariza doesn't make the team better - I don't know why you're trying to bring in other players. I concede that you merely said he doesn't make the team better, not that he makes the team worse. However, I assume this means that if he were not on the team, the team would be just as good. Is that what you were saying? Ariza doesn't make our team better, so that's why our record is 22 - 17? Your "argument" would make a lot more sense if we were one of the bottom dwellers. Nobody expected this team to be in the playoffs, some predicted a win total in the teens - and yet here we are right in the thick of things. I don't understand your argument that our record is tied into Ariza's alleged ineffectiveness -- if anything, we're better than EVERYONE thought we would be. And to answer your question, yes, I still think Ariza is worth every penny of the MLE he got. The board was apparently expecting him to grow into McGrady - that's their problem. I've always seen Ariza as a great role player, who would make a championship contender that much better. I haven't ever looked at Ariza has a #1 or #2 scoring option, despite what he has been this year -- this year doesn't really matter in my opinion, because Yao is our true #1 option so this year's pecking order is only temporary. Next year, Ariza will be back to being thought of as a top tier role player - which I would pay the full MLE for any day of the week. Ariza has never been a good 3PT shooter, so people who are b!tching about his percentages now just did not have a full grasp of what we were getting. That's their fault. I still love the Ariza signing, and I think he'll be a great role player for us once we get our superstar back that he can play off of. So yes, using our current record as an indicator of Ariza's ineffectiveness is stupid. I'm sure most would agree, except maybe you and a handful of others, that the Rockets this year are exceeding expectations. If you want to throw arguments against Ariza, use something better than the team's record - that works against your point. And I will wholeheartedly disagree with you if you truly believe that the Rockets minus Ariza would have the same record. That would mean Budinger was playing major minutes and Jermaine Taylor would be a significant contributor off the bench. Budinger's a good player, but he still has a lot to learn - especially defensively. He's most effective when running with Lowry, the 2nd unit PG, because he's willing to run and can finish in transition. I don't think we would be nearly as impressed with him if our first impression of him was in the starting lineup - he's much more effective coming off the bench with Lowry. Jermaine Taylor.. has a long ways to go.
No, of course not, i do think Ariza can help the team, especially once Yao gets back...but his current play is...well...subpar IMO. Not sure if he is trying to hard to be something he isn't(IE: a prolific scorer)with all the shots he takes. As for the yelling and attitude from Ariza, i can only assume he is trying maybe a bit to hard to be a more vocal leader for the Rockets, which IMO is not really working the way he might have planned. That's alot of vague generalizations you post. Who exactly is NOBODY? From all the people i've talked to prior to the season and most of(not all)the scouting reports Houston was expected to do ok. Maybe not record wise as good as the last few years, but i didn't see reporters or other fans from other teams stating the rockets would win like 10 games all year. Most people i talked to and i live in SA, expected the rockets to place third in the division with a decent record. So i have no idea who you talked to, i can only assume the feeling in Houston with Yao going down and TMAC doing his usual thing had the city a bit in the doom and gloom mode. Agreed, but isn't he basically trying to do that? It is fairly obvious Ariza is trying to do things that are not in his skill set. WHY? I have no clue, maybe RA is telling him to do so, maybe he was pumped up to much, but i don't think Ariza makes the rockets worse, i just don't see Ariza with this team right now, making them "better." If you disagree that's fine, but i'll wager had we taken Iverson that we would be in the same boat more or less. Ditto for Wafer. playing Bud or JT would not have been effective. Of course i'm not saying those players would have given us a better record. Come on, I clearly stated the Ariza vs Wafer issue. Also, i never stated i want Ariza off the team, i simply don't see the clear upside to adding Wafer and giving him more minutes. you get more offensive sure, but you get the significant drop off in defense. so the trade off is mute IMO. In doing so, that only adds more cancer to the team unity, which will only make things worse IMO. Hence my post concerning those 2 players...i clearly stated those 2 players so me adding other players is downright stupid on your part. I never added players, my first post was concerning the 2 players most on here have addressed wanting to bring in one for the other. You should clearly stop trying to assume you know other people and what they think. It's comical at best... And a few games over 500 is exceeding expectations? WOW, maybe your outlook on the Rockets was the problem, not mine. expecting the rockets to scrub the bottom of the barrel, is something band wagon fans would do...but then again, I don't wear a skirt so... EVERYONE NOBODY THEY THEM hysterical...lmao
I don't really have much of an issue with Ariza's current play, except for the yelling/frustration part - there's no excuse for that. Morey has not wavered in his stance that they were pleased with Ariza and he was doing what they wanted him to - jack 3s and try to be a big part of the offense. Ariza won't ever be a great offensive player, so I liken this year to developing what offensive ability he has. This will only help us as we move forward in the future. I guess you can say I look @ Ariza solely based on the future - I think his time being pushed in to a bigger scoring role this year will help our team a year or two down the line when we have established first and second options. They're only vague if you haven't been around all off-season. Since the news broke that Yao would be done for the year, even this board as felt we were due for a lotto season. I don't know what else to tell you - you must have been asleep during the off season if you genuinely think that people thought we would be a good team. Actually, your problem is being surrounded by Spurs fan. I take it back - you're not an idiot.. just surrounded by them and sometimes it slips out. I undertstand. Here's a list of ESPN Predictions for the Rockets record this year: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2009/news/story?page=Predictions0910-Rockets 1 out 10 picked us to make the playoffs. I wasn't being vague.. you were just extremely misinformed. This was pretty common knowledge. I agree that Ariza has been pushed into a bigger scoring role, but that was Adelman and Morey's wishes. Morey has consistently stated throughout the year that Ariza is doing what they're telling him to and they're pleased with him.. I can only take that to mean that they want him to grow his game. Like I said in the previous post, in my eyes Morey/Adelman know they won't win a championship this year, so they're developing the talent we do have as much as they can to help our team in the future. Part of this is allowing Trevor to find out where he can score and what he does best offensively.. this comes with growing pains. I think Ariza absolutely makes this team better - he's top 10 in the NBA in steals, probably our best defender now (I wish we'd trade Shane.. on the decline now IMO but still has name value), has been a good rebounder for us, and runs the break well and finishes, which IS this team's offensive philosophy. This team has been coached to run, and Ariza is a gazelle in that regard. He makes us better simply by getting out on the break and filling out the wings to score in transition. That's not to mention his defensive contributions. The Iverson bit I don't really want to get in to. I'm not sure what you were saying in the initial post I quoted -- you said Ariza doesn't make this team better. Then you said that doesn't mean he makes this team worst, he's just what he is. Then you said if the Rockets didn't have him they wouldn't be as good.. which seems to undercut your point of him not making the team better. Now you're substituting hypothetical players in place of him.. so I guess you should have said "neither Ariza nor Wafer would make this team better.. than Allen Iverson would have." I might've left it alone if you said that - at least that's debatable. The fact that Ariza makes us a better team is not debatable, IMO. I don't really have any comment on Von.. he's not on the team, and won't be. I never really wanted him back after the playoffs incident. That's why I left your Von not helping the Rockets comment alone and focused on Ariza. Just because you were right about Wafer doesn't overcome you being wrong about Ariza, so there's no point in discussing Wafer - Ariza is who I was arguing about. Von Wafer has no place in our argument.. it was about Ariza making us a better team - don't lose sight of it. It is pretty comical.. I mean I laughed about your lack of awareness. For good measure, here's the link again: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2009/news/story?page=Predictions0910-Rockets . Again, 1 out of 10 picked us to make the playoffs.. as the 8th seed. So if that was still too "vague" for you, let me try this: Stop listening to Spurs fans. They rarely, if ever, know what they're talking about.. much like you right now.
lmao @ quoting ESPN... Jesus, you might as well have quoted WIKI or Miss Cleo... Having a decent season DOES not require a playoff appearance, that would be dependent on the records of the respective teams in the conference vs the Rockets. The rockets could have a winning season and realistically NOT make the playoffs depending on the other teams records... Nice try, except you forgot the part about trying to add words to my point, you know about JT and Bud? OHHH that's right, how easily you forget that part, when in fact i never mentioned those players...me saying if Ariza was not on the team and JT and Bud were the ones in place and the Rockets being worse off record wise is not and was not part of the debate, YOU added that. I did not, i merely agree'd... isn't that what almost everyone was doing with Von...you know the "hypothetical" thing? Jesus, you're slow... And IF you could comprehend and read correctly, i said with Wafer or Iverson we would be about the same, not BETTER...here i'll post it again, since you density level has reached epic proportions... and yes you thinking Ariza making the Rockets better is easily debatable, sadly you aren't the all in all of basketball information or factual based reality... Hence why you keep responding in this thread, because it is debatable...check mate really??? that is a direct quote of yours talking about my post...so who lost sight of what? So no, i'm not just discussing Ariza with you, i'm discussing Ariza and Von. If you're not, then that's your issue not mine. rotflmao Dude stop already, your oozing stupidity all over the screen... YOU can discuss Ariza in a singular sense all you like, i never made a post in that sense, i've addressed the Ariza Von issue in all posts. try a book on Sarcasm and Wit, you are lacking sorely in each department... :grin: Once again you assume everyone i talk to is a "Spurs" fan...ahhh, the feel of humility over the screen...I get it, people that are Rockets fans know more than people that are Spurs fan. That is intelligence at it's finest... You win sir, you have bested me like a royal gay frenchmen... what does it feel like??? that awkward feeling of absolute humiliation over the screen? LMAO i'm still chuckling at quoting ESPN...and you've been online for quite along time to, and you have the oxymoronic nerve to call me on Awareness and quote ESPN in the same line... classic
Why do I get the feeling that the board is being "violated" by a blast from the past? Not that there's anything wrong with that!
well Deckard i would love to say i am on old member returning for a final stretch run, but alas...i can't. I might have been a member years ago, but to be honest i simply cannot remember being member, although i have read this board for many years.
Haha, ok I give. You told me I was wrong that the majority of people thought the Rockets would be lotto bound and quoted your Spur acquaintances as evidenced that people thought the Rockets would be good. I posted an article of 10 Sports Writers, 9/10 predicting the Rockets to be lotto bound. I'll give it to you, you stick to your guns even in the face of facts against you.. I guess that's something? I'm done arguing, I can't help you if you can't understand valid points/facts. Trying to laugh as ESPN is ridiculous - name one site that better covers the sports world. Hell, name one TV station. ESPN Message Boards, RealGM Message Boards, and Spurs fans are the only things that should be discredited. But I give. You're right. ESPN is a terrible source for sports information, and on the same par as Wikipedia. You're a genius. Haha. You've made zero valid arguments, all you've done is try to laugh off the facts/points I've layed down to you and try to shift the argument. No point in arguing you - much like leebigez, you just don't understand simple facts or refuse to admit them even when they're laid out in front of you. I can't help you - best of luck. "A wise man told me don't argue with fools Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" -Jay Z
