Violence of MEN???

mrpaige -

Did kirkit ever actually post anywhere that he was a child molester? It seems to me like he's a teenager, and most molesters are grown men... But did he ever actually post anything to that effect?

I don't like the guy's posts either, but unless he actually says that he'd like to molest kids, then I think it's pretty unfair to accuse him of it.

Jesus, I can't believe that I'm defending a possible teenage muslim child molester. This is a whole new can of worms... But until he starts going troll-overboard, I can't see why we should shut him up. Hell, ignore him if you think he's an idiot...

 

I didn't accuse him of anything. I accuse no one. As for the quote, prove that it wasn't said. That's the way we do things here now. Just ask kirkit. You're the one defending him, so you must agree with the way he does things. Everything is true until proven otherwise. Until you can prove that quote to be inaccurate, it's true.

And he is gone overboard in troll-like behavior. He lied in every single post he's ever made.

But like I said, I guess this is what the board has become. People aren't interested in having good conversations anymore. If someone will defend the trolls who lie in every single one of their posts, it's gotten to the point where real conversations cannot be had (no pun inteneded) anymore.

I think we need to have standards. I think that letting everyone say every single thing they want to say leads to a bad board. And your coming here and defending his attitude and actions only empowers him to be more of a troll in the future. There should be a standard of acceptable behavior (and there used to be), but there isn't one anymore.

People here don't care about being lied to. They don't care about being disrespected. They've resorted to defending the trolls. What would be enough for you to be offended? What would be the behavior that you think is enough to break the standard of the board? Or do you think there shouldn't be any standards? What is the answer?

I don't pretend to be all that great of a poster here, but people seemed to respect my opinions before (even when they disagreed with them, which was often) and we could have discussions here that didn't all resort to shock value and lies. We took care of the trolls (meaning, we either got them to adhere to the standard of the board or we got rid of them). We defended the people who tried to keep the trolls inline. It's the exact opposite now. The people who try to get the trolls inline are attacked, and the trolls right to be trolls is defended. It has become a board where the troll is given more respect than the veteran posters.

I admit that I liked it better before when people actually cared about this board and having some standards of behavior. When did it become okay to be a jacka*s to everyone? When did it become okay to lie to everyone in every single post? When did this board become about "winning arguments" instead of expressing various viewpoints? When did we get to the point of defending the trolls?

Is that the kind of board you guys really want? I admit that I'm often out of step with public opinion, and if everyone would rather this be a board full of trolls with as few veteran posters as possible (and those veterans keeping their mouth shut about as much as possible) and no standards of behavior, then I guess I've got no choice but to let you guys have that kind of board. I'm only a guest here, after all.

I just can't believe that people would rather have a board full of Teds than to have the thriving and interesting community where people could share their views like we had before. I just cannot believe that people would rather celebrate the trolls than bury them.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

 

And I get so tired of this response (no offense to you personally, treeman). Just ignore him. Just because he's spreading lies in everyone of his posts is no reason to pay any attention to him. If he made up lies about you, would you just ignore them? Why should there be no standard? It's not about thinking he's an idiot, it's about him NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. That's the difference. I may think that his viewpoints are wacky, but I don't care about his opinions. I CARE ABOUT HIS UNTRUTHS THAT HE PASSES OFF AS FACT.

Why is lying okay? Why do you defend telling untruths? Why shouldn't we shut up someone WHO LIES IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS POSTS? Why should I be the one who has to change? Why shouldn't people who lie be confronted with the truth? Why is ignoring the lies the right answer?

I have no problem with people expressing opinions that disagree with my own (that happens every single day here). I have a problem with people who willfully post things that DISAGREE WITH ACTUAL FACTS, and when EVERY SINGLE POST THE PERSON POSTS INCLUDES STATEMENTS THAT DISAGREE WITH ACTUAL FACTS, THAT'S REALLY, REALLY BAD AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

If you think that the answer is to ignore him, then I never want to see you try to correct someone else's mistruths. Apparently, the right way to counter lies is to ignore them. We used to want to counter lies with the truth, but that's not the way the board wants it anymore. Lies are apparently good and should go unchallenged.

 

I've never seen mrpaige so worked up over something. He's usually so easy going. I hope the movie's goin okay!

 

Actually, the movie is going great. We'll finish shooting next Sunday, and I should have a rough cut about a week after that.

We're on target to start shooting a second feature around November 1st. That one should take a lot less time to shoot since I've got a good feel for what exactly I need (this first one was a real learning experience, but I knew that going in), and I can get my ducks in a row better ahead of time and cut down on the time dedicated to production. Plus, this second script has fewer characters and fewer locations, so it will be a quicker shoot because of that, too.

As for getting worked up. It's the principle of the thing. I've always tried to correct people's misstatements when I had the right answer (and others have done the same thing, even correcting me when I was wrong, or when they thought I was wrong). Usually people are happy to correct their mistakes. Nobody that I've seen has ever posted a lie in every single one of their posts before and outright refused to change it despite knowing it was a lie. That's hard to deal with.

Add in that I'm only now becomming aware of the big change in the attitude of the board. A few months ago, no one would've defended the troll. Now it's the troll who gets the defense for being a troll. That's surprising to me because I just didn't know we had gone so far from what the attitude of the board was.

Trolls used to be a bad thing. Now they are celebrated and defended. That's a huge change, and it took me by surprise. It will take me some time to get used to this new dynamic where people are slammed for not wanting the board to be filled with lies and trolls. I imagine I'll soon be slammed again because it will take some practice for me to not correct someone's misstatements. And it will take me some time to get into the groove of defending the trolls like we're apparently supposed to do now.

In the past, I would've been supported in the effort to make sure kirkit quit telling lies in every single one of his posts. Now, I'm just told to "ignore him" and basically told to shut up and get over it. Let the liar lie and don't worry about it. Let him say whatever damn fool thing he wants to say truth or not. And we'll defend his disrespect if you try to correct his misstatements.

It's a lot to take in.

 

That's great to hear about the film. I try to follow the journals on the MovieForums site. I know a lot of us movie freaks envy the guts you have to take on a project like that. Hope it all works out well for you.

 

They're both so disgustingly horrible that I can't really distinguish which is worse.

Maybe that's why as a Christian, I can't believe hell will be made any worse for the men who created the September 11 tragedy and murdered thousands of faceless strangers or for the testosterone challenged Adrea Yates who drowned all of her own babies.

 

mrpaige, you have my respect... and on my better days I hope that I can ask for the same.

In this matter though, I believe you are seriously overreacting. When I misspell something, am I being deceitful? When I don't completely understand something, am I lying? I think that you would induce that I am lying in such a scenario. My current signature is a joke. This man doesn't exist... it's a mock up "What do you think" quote that I borrowed from theonion. Am I lying when I insinuate that some man actually said this thing? I would think not.

kirkit is probably a moron. His assertion that people can't think for themselves in the OBL affair makes me conclude that he's an idiot. But am I spending my time chasing him around, infatuated w/ that one quote? No, he's a kid...

this just in: kids are stupid.

Let him be.