What a patriot. esteban advocates violence to people who have a different view point than him. What an enlightened poster we've found on the bbs. I'm trying to think what the standard reaction is to those that advocate violence against those with different viewpoints in say the realm of government and politics... Oh that's right we call them brutal dictators, and invade their country, kick their ass and send them on their way. Who knew Saddam and esteban had so much in common? Since Saddam is dead maybe esteban can now find a new buddy in the North Korean Dictator. Kim Jong Il.
About Rwanda: What happened there is horrible, and you are right, it had nothing at all to do with Islam. However, I believe it also had nothing at all to do with Christianity. The people who committed the murders happened to be Christian, but they did not invoke Christianity as a reason for their murders. It was like a whole country being in a collective drugged state of blood thirst. It was a tribal war/mass murder, not religiously motivated. About Bosnia: Let me just copy/paste something someone has sent to me per e-mail about this. This goes into a lot of detail, but basically, my own argument about the Balkan issue is that the murders were not committed "in the name of Christianity", which is the difference in my opinion. That aside, just to be clear, I am not saying that a) muslims are evil, b) all terrible things in the world are committed by muslims. As far as terrorism is concerned, I am merely stating the obvious fact that the majority of terrorist attacks nowadays are committed by people who claim to do so in the name of islam.
The English-speaking media has picked it up in the meantime. Muslim imam who lectures on non-violence in Germany is arrested for beating up his wife A Muslim imam who lectures on non-violence and advises the German government on interfaith issues has been arrested in Germany for beating up his wife. Sheikh Abu Adam, 40, is now on remand in Munich while his wife, 31, is being guarded by police. She was allegedly assaulted so badly that she suffered a broken nose and shoulder and numerous cuts and bruises. Media reports claimed the woman, who has borne one of his ten children, wanted to live a more 'western' lifestyle and was allegedly attacked after telling her husband. The police said they received a call from a lawyer hired by the victim. Adam is alleged to have shouted a verse from the Koran at his wife as he beat her. The line said: 'Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. 'As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.' The imam is said to have refused to let police officers into his home, but they forced their way past him because they feared the woman's life was in danger. Sheikh Adam is the Egyptian imam of the Darul Quran Mosque in Munich. He is facing charges of causing grievous bodily harm and could face a jail term if convicted. A week ago, he held a lecture at the city's Catholic University entitled 'An Islam which distances itself from violence'. He also spoke at a recent conference called 'meeting Islam in Europe' and met German justice Sabine Leutheusser Schnarrenberger there. Adam was assigned bodyguards on the outside because of his calls for Muslims to reject radical Islam. He is also being guarded while on remand from racist prisoners. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ence-arrested-wife-beating.html#ixzz174qG31Z3 ----------- Perhaps I should also mention that the Imam has also been receiving about $ 3,000 per month in social benefits from German taxpayers because he has 10 children with his three wives.
Bosnia was definitely done in the name of Christianity. The whole thing was Christians committing genocide against Muslims. To go back and try rewrite what that was isn't really helpful to discussion. Furthermore churches in Rwanda were organizing and partaking in the killing. It wasn't because of Christianity, but the church was involved there.
I am not here to defend in any way what happened there. Assuming you are right, what about the argument in the mail that was sent to me that "good christians stopped the bad christians"?
No doubt about it. Just like good muslims have fought, died, and stopped some of the extremist terrorist Muslims as well.
Where are the troops funded by Qatar and Dubai to go into Yemen and take out the terrorist cells there? Looks like Qatar has plenty of money for other endeavors.
Because it doesn't happen in that situation doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Just like good Christians don't always stop bad Christians in their crimes, extremism, or genocides either.
It's unfortunate he would do something so radical when he preaches against radicalism. That verse he allegedly was yelling doesn't go quiet like that. It definitely doesn't say "As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." Another Quran smear campaign. Definitely should wait until all the details are out before I comment, though.
Didn't read everything but the video in the first post talks about the unemployment rate at the immigrant community being sky high. With that kind of economic numbers, it would seem that a high violence/crime rate is not suprising whatever the the ethnicity or religion of the residents are. The place seems like one of these typical ghettos/projects you can find in many places in the world. I mean, if Ron Artests goes there, it'll probably remind him of Queensbridge.
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The unemployment rate is high because these people in the video are not educated and not really willing to work. The social benefits in European countries attract the wrong kind of people. The reality is that these people would not even have been able to immigrate to the USA, and if they had been able to, they would not get nearly as much in social benefits as e.g. in Sweden. I believe the makeup of the muslim population in the US is vastly different from that in Europe (much more educated, much less dependent on welfare, with all the positive consequences for the USA compared to Europe). I actually think that many of the countries they came from are happy to have gotten rid of them.
I think you may have dug yourself a hole here. Many of the US politicians claim to be "good Christians", and on a daily basis we hear of them funding very unethical and down right inhumane causes in order to gain political power.
Again, you seem to be misunderstanding me on purpose. I am not saying that members of other religions are better than muslims. I am referring to the suspicion that leaders and possibly governments in the Arab region fund islamist terrorism or let it happen and do not interfere.
Probably applies to other "ghetto" situations, too. I'll tweet Artest to confirm when I have chance. There is often a "criminal class" issue with immigrant communities in the U.S., not sure if having the "right kind" of immigrants solves that. Or has the U.S. been attracting the "wrong kind" of Asians, Latinos, Italians, Irish and Jews during its history?
