Freedom to think for themselves, and education that is not centralized around some ancient text written by man based upon mythology to control the masses. And a quality of life that is worth living for, rather than dying to try to get to a better place... Of course, Sweden is such a place and they are still screwing it up there too. DD
Just a hint? The fact that video clip was produced by the Christian Broadcast Network and first presented by ultra religious right wing nut Pat Robertson screams propaganda. Looks like the video is trying to scare American Christians with the message: don't let the Muslims into America or else they will try to take over. Quite interesting that the video had to point out that these Muslims voted with the godless left and used that political power to influence government policy. I always found the islamophobia here in america to be a little ironic, as a non-Christian American, I'm a lot more fearful of religious right wingers than I am of any Muslim. Reminds me of the quote “When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross”.
You don't believe in religion or any scriptures or anything, right? Then where does your belief in God come from?
I just believe something is behind the universe.....and if that is what you or I want to call a God then great. I don't for one second believe that any entity that is that powerful gives a hoot about being worshiped, and I think it is just man's attempt at explaining the unexplainable. I also believe that people are inherently good, unless corrupted by other outside influences, like religion. And that you can be influenced in a good way like some, or in a bad way, that people are desperate to belong to something because deep down we are still pack animals, who feel the need to be part of a pack which sometimes overides our intellectual side of things. Our emotional needs sometimes get in the way of good cognitive thought. DD
Not sure if TSchmal was trying to be sarcastic...maybe he can explain? I don't know what there is to disagree with that quote.
"but some of the culture comes from the Koran." Great example of emotions getting in the way of cognitive thought. IMO.
Why do you think so? Have you read it? Do you believe that the Koran (and the way it is interpreted by many) has no influence on culture in Arabia?
Nope. Don't care to. Atheist. The implication appears to be that no other religious books is guilty of at least hinting at some violence somewhere in the book. The Bible does all over the place. So does the Koran. Why are you singling one out but not the other? Oh, right, because "Muslims" are committing acts of violence across the world. Thus, some folks are simply looking at it from an emotional standpoint since the current scapegoat are Muslims. They're not looking at it objectively (again, IMO) and only looking at one source. That's not cognitive thought, that's emotional-based thought. Maybe the religion of Islam hasn't evolved to the point Christianity is, so they're in their more primal stage where there's a lot of violence? That's fine, I see that argument, but that still doesn't make Islam any more of a dangerous religion than Christianity foundation-wise, just one that's currently behind-the-times socially.
You guys have not been reading what I have been saying about him lately....I am ready for him to be sent to the D-league to get it together..... Dang it ! DD
Who is singling out just one, this is just a topic about a particular one, if you want to discuss them all, feel free to make that topic. Agreed, but we are discussing it "IN THIS TIME"..... DD
And for the record, I think all organized religions are the bane of human existence. The cons far outweigh the pros, IMO. What was that quote I saw? People say religion helps them through tough times caused by religion.
You missed my edit (replied before it) of specifying I was referring to the foundation of the religion. The foundation of Christianity hasn't changed; the people have. So why are you blaming the foundation of Islam? My guess is because it's an emotional reaction to current events. No?
That implication comes from you - it is NOWHERE in what DaDakota said. Actually, he has said the opposite many times. Because that is what the voices in your head told you. DaDakota did not say that. It is not an emotional standpoint. I already provided statistics on the top 20 major terrorist attacks in recent past by number of victims. This is statistical evidence. The one who is refuting the statistical evidence because he already has his mind emotionally made up (neither read the Koran or bits of it nor seriously willing to consider the statistical evidence) is you.
From a Christian standpoint, the Bible states that Christians are not under the old OT Jewish law, even though it is in the book. (even though they themselves can conveniently forget that) Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. See All... says, "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Since we are under grace, we are not under the law. The two are mutually exclusive. Jesus Christ has delivered us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:10-13 [10] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. [11] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. [12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. [13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: See All...). Those who "are of the works of the law are under the curse" (v.10) But "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law" (v.13). We come to God by faith and "the law is not of faith" (v.12).
OK, perhaps not DD (he's agnostic, or what?), but nonetheless that view is silly. Perhaps the accusation was a bit unfounded. My bad. He is singling out Islam in this thread, but as he said, that's because this thread is about Islam. Again, I see that; my bad. I think I just like attacking DD (we all know this). Yes, currently, those toting Islamic ideals seem to be more violent than other religious ideals. I'm not disagreeing with statistics nor am I saying Christians are currently equally violent. However, you acknowledge that Christians were just as violent, if not more, in the past (Crusaders, etc.), right? My point is basically that the reasons for the violence are the people, not the foundation of religion. I am patting myself on the back for this summation of my point: "The foundation of Christianity hasn't changed; the people have. So why are you blaming the foundation of Islam?" Perhaps you're not blaming the foundation of Islam. Maybe you're just blaming the people following it, and then just the extremists? If so, I can get on board with that.
