the receivers are bad and the running backs are nothing special so the defenses focus on vince. vince is a good runner when he decides to run, so teams have to keep guys focused on vince to make it harder on him to run. when they do this, there is less attention on the running backs. vince's stats have not been good. that's very true. he's still opened things up for his teammates and they still have faith in him that when just handing the ball off and throwing short passes won't get the job done that he'll be able to make the big plays to win them the game. he is the leader of the team and a huge reason they are have such a good record regardless of what his stats are.
Exactly. NCAA football and the NFL are completely different animals. Just because Vince could will his team to victory at UT doesn't mean he can do it with the Titans. The defense is winning games for them...
yes, i watched those COLLEGE games. they were very impressive. who said anything about hating the guy? relax mr. defensive. Just because i dont kiss his ass and proclaim his "greatness" when he has been fairly mediocre, doesnt mean i hate the guy. I like the guy a lot. I think he will become a great qb with time. But it's also completely unfair and inaccurate to give him the amount of credit he has got for wins, when it is primarily their defense and coaching that is winning games. But you are right, maybe his 110 yards and 2 ints propelled and inspired his team to the victory
oh, I see what you meant now... but the thing is, Clarrett wasn't that spectacular in college, so that's why I didn't catch what you were saying the first time. Clarrett had one good year and his *team* won the national championship, but he was NOWHERE near as incredibly awesome and sensational as VY was in huge games plus, QB is a different beast when evaluating things...Clarrett never showed any mental leadership, which is arguably VY's best 'talent'
vince showed last year that when needed, he made the big plays for the team. they have confidence in him to do that and he has shown he can do that. so far this season, that hasn't been needed too much.
This is the same argument that Reggie Bush fans make, and it don't make sense. Guess what? Every week, opposing defenses key solely on Tom Brady. They key on Peyton Manning. They key on Tony Romo and Eli Manning. Lots of players in the NFL are explosive -- it's the freakin' NFL. Lots of players are good. The good players are more than "decoys" -- they actually produce. See Adrian Peterson today. You don't think the entire defense was keying on Peterson today, with the incredible passing duo of Tavaris Jackson and Brooks Bollinger? You can't get by in the NFL with the decoy label. You have to make plays. Maybe for a week you can, but not for half a season. VY isn't having a good year.
Again, this is the NFL. Good players produce on a week to week basis, not chipping in a big play only "when needed."
That sort of argument doesn't hold any water with me. He's a great player, but he only makes plays when he has to? Ummm...ok.
Is this "team" argument that you are making not the exact argument that you are attempting to denounce earlier in the thread? Incredibly poor logic and reasoning. And your description of VY's collegiate perfomance as "awesome and sensational" is both lacking in substance and relevance to this NFL-focused discussion. VY scored a 6 on the Wonderlic test. He is unqualified to READ, much less exert mental leadership.
he did it a lot of the time in college too. he'd start off the game mostly handing off and throwing easy passes. if that wasn't getting the job done, he'd make plays himself. i'm not going to argue that he's not having a bad season, but i'd still argue that he's easily in the top half of quarterbacks in the nfl regardless of what his current numbers are.
Great, fact based analysis there. They are his teammates. Can you imagine the stink it would create if a teammate said that Vince can't read and can't understand the playbook?
vince scoring 6 on the wonderlic is not fact. just hearsay and rumor. its funny to see that a good majority of VY haterz are really just UT haterz. i always see posters like donnymost and trader_jorg pop into UT threads. these guys remind me of big_texx who had some weird complex for all things UT. my brother, who went to rice is the same way... why are rice university students like this?
Bassfly, Haters exist. its just a fact of life. However, at least some haters are entertaining like Meowgi. Some of these dudes just have pure hatred. they just need a medium to show their hate. I mean if you trash talk, why not keep it fun and entertaining?
David Carr was sacked SEVEN times today. SEVEN!!! Geez, Carr makes ANY O-line look like the worst in NFL history. Oh, did I mention that Sage was sacked ZERO times today?
Young's stats are not good but he helps his team win. I can say with full confidence Fisher would not trade VY for any highly QB chosen after the 2004 draft based on what we have seen from them all. In fact you can make a case for AP as the only offensive player one would take 1st during that same period 2005-2007, but at the end of the day he is a running back. He has a good oline and good defense and a great stretch and his team is still 3-5. Funny how the Titans with a good defense, running game and and suppedly "inept" QB can go like 13-6--including in a division with a great team and a very good one. Of course it isn't all him, but if you can't recognize his positive impact, particularly on given them fighting chances to convert on 3rd down and redzone plays Tenn would be overmatched personelle wise versus even mediocre NFL defenses, you don't watch closely.But then again VY haters don't watch closely and prefer to rely on tradional QB ratings that have no consideration of key rushing conversions on 3rd downs nor the quality of receivers a guy has.
VY has a ton of potential and growth. He can become great. In the meantime, however, it would be nice for some of the slightly biased and overzealous VYOF to take a step into reality for a while.
