Vince Young,the Great Vs Jacksonville

I actually don't consider John Elway as a quaterback that likes to run, he's more of a great decision maker that's willing to run (unlike other quarterbacks who will other throw the ball away, take a sack, or force a pass if a play breaks down).

 

Michael Vick went to the Superbowl?

Not even sure if Steve scrambled much when the Titans went to the S-bowl.

 

There is a difference, at least I think. There are quarterbacks who would or like to run and there are quarterbacks who can run, if needed. There have been a few of the latter that have went to or won the Super Bowl and they have been mentioned.

Yes, Staubach only had 119 yards passing but he only ran for 18 in that game and no more than 343 in any season. Bart Starr, he had 14 yards rushing in both Super Bowls in which he appeared and never more than 169 in any season. But I agree with you except for those examples.

 

This is true. Vick has only reached the NFC Championship. McNair only managed 337 yards rushing during the Titans Super Bowl year and from 1997 to 2002 that was his lowest season rushing total.

 

So why did they call him Roger the Dodger then, cause his passes dodged?

Starr never passed for more than 2400 yards in a season his entire career, he handed off or ran the ball most of the time. For your reference, Vince had 2200 as a part time starter last year.

Are you a being serious or are you kidding? Very few quarterbacks prior to the 1980's did much passing at all. They handed off, and most of them grew up running the option in college.

Why don't you provide some evidence of your thesis. I will sleep on it then read it tomorrow AM and give you my feedback.

 

You're right, I was wrong. What can I say, I don't follow pro football much lately. If it wasn't for Vince Young, I wouldn't care for pro football at all, VY is that electrifying and entertaining .

 

Stop trying to steal tinman's schtick.

 

Last year it was "oh, they only won 8 games b/c of Travis Henry". I guess this year it'll be "well Chris Brown had a pro bowl-type season and Lendale White emerged". Maybe someday people will make the connection.

 

Thats what Im talking about - A QB that has a "run first" mentality with a sub-par arm (cunningham, vick, etc.).

 

its funny people don't understand your qb will throw for only 78 yards when his team rushes for over three hundred.

 

Sub-par? In Cunningham's best year, he lead the league with a 106 passer rating.

Vince may have an odd release, but it's way too early to say his arm is sub-par. His numbers were every bit as good as Elway's rookie season, except Vince's running was more effective.

If his passing continues to improve, then he can be a great passer and excellent rusher.

 

people don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about when referencing cunningham. cunningham won two not one but two mvps in his career.

I pray vince will become as good a passer as cunningham. the other thing about the titans is they suck at wr. if vince gets a decent target, really look out.

 

But McNair can run, and mobility and athleticism for the QB position is a good quality.

Yeah, that team McNair also had Eddie George, Frank Wycheck, Derek Mason, Al Del Greco, and an excellent defense.

It took awhile for McNair to develop to an MVP QB too. Lets not forget who Vince's mentor is.

 

I thought McNair left Memphis specifically because he did NOT want to mentor Vince.

 

he was a mentor when vince was a kid.

http://www.titansonline.com/team/players/bio.php?PRKey=324

Years before he was selected by the Titans with the third overall pick in the draft, Young formed a bond with one of the franchise's all-time greatest players, quarterback Steve McNair. McNair, 10 years older than Young and the No. 3 overall pick in the 1995 draft, has served as a mentor to the second-year player since his sophomore year in high school. That is when Vince's uncle, Ivory Young, who became McNair's close friend in college, urged his nephew to attend the Steve McNair Football Camp. Because the mentor and apprentice shared similar upbringings, including special athletic gifts, lofty expectations and a lack of a steady father figure in each of their lives, a special kinship was born. Since that time, McNair has become heavily involved in Vince's life, and Vince often refers to the elder quarterback as “Pops.”

 

so why did McNair leave Nashville?

I thought that McNair would be a great mentor at the NFL level for Vince.

Kerry Collins, despite being a Super Bowl QB, isn't my idea of someone that could or should be tutoring Vince, or anyone for that matter.

 

Tennessee would have had to pay McNair $17MM to keep him for another year, so they released him. Apparently, they handled it really badly (not letting him use workout facilities and such) and created a lot of bad blood between McNair and the Titans, so he left.

 

the irony of this debate is chris chandler left the titans because he didn't want to mentor mcnair. i'm sure mcnair still wanted to play, but major's right, if you guys remember, it was just a year ago, the titans asked mcnair not to show up at the practice facility while he was still on the team.

 

I think he was not allowed to use the facilities for insurance reasons not because they were locking him out. But he still didn't leave under good terms