Vince Goodwill: De’Aaron Fox trade list includes San Antonio, Houston and Miami

I mean, there's no worse fit than a guy who can't shoot to a team that can't shoot. Our core trio is two guys who can't shoot and one with a shaky jumpshot for most of his career. Fox needs spacing, his game requires it, he doesn't have the strength to bully through crowded half court paint.

It all depends on which of these you believe:

1) We have stars and need better role players
2) We have no franchise players emerging from the core

If you believe #2 you go with Fox. Personally I think we have the stars, they just need big shooters to take the next step.

 

The same people on here dismissing Fox are the same this summer petitioning to get rid of FVV.
Now, we might have an opportunity to upgrade our point guard position without disrupting our core roster. Not saying give up all our assets for him, but it's worth exploring. If we don't trade for Fox, then it's safe to say Udoka likes our current roster and will continue to add pieces via draft or free agency.

 

Imagine the speed of a lineup of Fox, Green, and Amen!!! Nobody could keep up with us including OKC. Speed kills. I’m all for it if it’s Brooks, FVV, Holiday and a future 1st. Fox, Green, Amen, Jabrari, Sengun would dominate for years to come.

 

What do we look like come playoff time with Fox though?
We NEED shooting desperately.

 

I think we are still at #2 but have good potential of being #1. Two of our young guys have a chance of becoming a franchise player. If one of them pans out, we'll be very good.

Fox is a star but not a first tier superstar who is capable of taking a team to contention as the top dog. So if we don't have a franchise player, Fox isn't going to be that guy either. But if we already have one, Fox is actually a pretty good second star.

 

I pick option 3. We have stars in the making and MIGHT be able to pair them with other stars while they emerge and still be able to pursue options 1 and 2 in the future.

 

DD mentioned the cap in another thread, so I thought it may be worthwhile analyzing the cap ramifications of trading for Fox.

• Fox will likely sign a 30% max deal starting in 2026.
• Amen will likely sign a 25% rookie max that will start in 2027.
• In 2027, Sengun's deal will be 20% of the cap.
• In 2027, Green will likely either (1) opt in for around 20% of the cap; or (2) opt out and sign a 25% max contract.

So, for those doing the math, that's roughly 95 - 100% of our cap in 2027 depending on if Green extends. If we trade for Fox, I hope Tilman is at least willing to go into the 1st apron.

 

That's a valid point.. it depends on our owner if he wants to spend to win now or be patient in the process and play with house money. Knowing Tilman comes from a gambling background, he's going to play with house money.

 

This. While Im on the fence on his role here and what it would take to get him, I dont understand his interest in SA. from what I can tell, they dont have the depth or assets to be trading away a bunch and still (try to) be competitive.

 

If you don’t think we need Fox, you didn’t watch the game last night. Down the stretch FVV jack up 3s and Green reckless driving into turnovers, isn’t how you should close games.

 

So, the last 20 games, Jalen has shot .43 from 3. This is not sustainable, but if he developed into a consistent .38 -.4 shooter from 3, a Fox/Green backcourt may very well work. It’s not like FVV is shooting much better than Fox from 3 (.33 v. 34).

 

They have Wemby and that alone makes them a more attractive landing spot. Plus his wife is from San Antonio.

 

A Fox/Green backcourt is defensively challenged, to say the least.

 

I don’t see why. Neither are poor defenders.
https://www.si.com/nba/kings/sacram...fox-leads-nba-key-defensive-stat-01jcc3tmp6y2

https://www.si.com/nba/rockets/news...n-green-is-turning-into-a-true-two-way-player

 

Ugh, I don’t know yall. Part of me thinks a Fox / Green / Amen / Sengun core could compete for a very long time. Especially over the next couple of years with complementary guys like Brooks, Bari, and Eason. But I also realize that, in a few years, we’ll basically be built like the Knicks — four large contracts, 1 - 2 moderate contracts, and a bunch of vet minimums and rookies. This isn’t inherently a bad thing, but it is the second apron reality.

 

I would say the 3 biggest risks are:
1. He's a smallish guard who's game is built on speed/athleticism, so he should decline earlier and more rapidly than most. His 5 year 30% of the cap contract will be for his age 29-33 seasons.
2. Every single situation where a guard who isn't a superstar that signed a massive 3rd contract like this has been a complete disaster. Wall, westbrook, beal, etc.
3. There would be no bari or brooks or any of those guys, they would all be gone because those 4 guys would take up at minimum 95% of the cap (unless timan was willing to go deep into the 2nd apron which i would assume is an absolute no)

 

False Dilemma Logic Fallacy Detected.

Rockets fans beliefs aren't limited to 2 options.
For one, I believe Amen and Sengun are great players already, and they play better with skilled players (not just offensive skills).

I don't think Fox and Jalen Green would work, but would not see why not try it for a couple of years. Green may become more consistent and end up a better player than Fox. I wouldn't offer more value than 3 FRPs or equivalent for Fox. I don't think Fox will be worth less than 2 FRPs in 2 years and probably still worth 3 FRPs. If Green pans out and Fox isn't working well with him, trade Fox for 2-3 FRPs when/if it happens. People act like acquiring Fox would be a roster locking move when it is more a trial to see if how well one of the best PnR ball handlers plays with Sengun and Amen.

I'd go after Cam Johnson over Fox, but I don't see the opposition for trying to win games now. It is obvious the young players are developing great while trying to win. I don't think I'd be as pick trade happy as the National Media is and would be fine standing pat if other teams offer more than those guys are worth.

 

Seems a pretty simple solution to this is to trade him in 2 or 3 years while his value is good and when the younger guys are better. Wouldn't be a big deal if we could recoup 2 picks it will have been way worth the ride.

The bolded part makes me very hesitant though. I know that Fox can produce like a 1A scorer but it would require very very specific circumstances that basically wouldn't suit Segun. It's 4-out with Amen being the only non-shooter basically. It would involve having stretch bigs like Jabari, Isaiah Stewart, Myles Turner at the 4/5 - no non-shooters there at all. Basically the bigs are the snipers and let the slashers slash. It would also require a very creative offensive tactician which Ime, despite all his talents, is not. I'm not necessarily a fan of this. Passing C's have exceptional # of rings proportionate to their small number. I prefer to stick with Sengun over Fox basically. Also it's just not fair to Sengun or anyone for us to worsen the shooting even more. It's already hell in the paint for everyone.

However, that's also why I don't want him on the Spurs. They will get that contract value out of him I promise you. With Wemby hesitant to play inside (less than 4 FTA, more than 9 3PA) and Sochan a creative player, Fox will have by far his most efficient offensive seasons. They will be able to hide his defense better than anyone too thanks to Wemby. He'll take fewer 3's and make a better % - plus they're great at improving shooting mechanics even for veterans. It's not that he's an amazing player, it's that they are perfectly designed to get that much value out of him and that is a lot. I know you don't believe it, but this I'm sure about in the NBA game. That duo is going to be worth $100m+ per season by next season.

Hope they somehow screw up and trade him to Miami or something. I would still much rather have Kevin Durant for 2.5 years even at the same price. I know exactly what I'm getting, it's reliable, it's consistent, it improves our championship odds, it improves all our young players, he could still be a Finals MVP in the next 2 years. We don't need anyone longer than that. As you've shown, Amen/Green/Sengun if they're each worth $40m there's basically no room for another max player right? So we have to squeeze one in before those 3 maxes kick in and that window closes. In 2 years with the cream of our current crop and likely one more player we just couldn't pass up in the draft, we're set for 3-5 years of title contention. That's assuming we want to keep those max slots "reserved" for Amen/Sengun/Green.

I believe they'll all be worth at least $40m in 2 years so life is good lol.

 

In the second apron era it seems like that's just not an assumption you can make anymore. For us I can sort of see it because we're on the threshold of contending now and I agree it's super unlikely he'll be Beal trade value wise in 2 or 3 years. But he might be like Lavine.

That's what I think makes it especially tricky for San Antonio, even though a Fox/Wemby pnr could be scary. Fox has a game that might not age that well, is a little off their timeline, and they have like almost no other intriguing young talent other than Castle, who is very raw, might not hit, might not be a great fit with Fox, and might be part of the trade price in any event.

 

I think Fox has had really good numbers in the clutch the last few years, and to me, that's what we really need. He's going to push the tempo with these young guys and be able to close when the game comes to a crawl down the stretch. FVV just kills it sometimes, and I'm not sure he's worth it for the 2/7 games he shoots well.