VC bashers....get a life. Vince Carter is a good player, he has just never been on the right team. I think he is work horse....and it shows in his game. He can't be the scorer, like he was at one time, he is getting towards the twilight of his career. The highlight reel Vince is somewhat fading, like the highlight reel T-Mac, because that is just a sign of age and wear tear.
rz04 I think if Morey could acquire any of those players without giving up 111, Battier, Scola, Landry, and Rafer, he'd do it.
some clips from vince carters 07-08 season: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/JdmA3wjG9mg&hl=en"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JdmA3wjG9mg&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/daBK8ZghKGU&hl=en"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/daBK8ZghKGU&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> the dude still has major athleticism. and i know he has a bad rap for being a jumpshooter, but he's no more a jumpshooter than tmac. and his jumper is better. i for one, would welcome him. plus, think of the marketability!!!!
I don't think anyone here is bashing VC, its just with his contract and what Nets think he's worth he is neither a viable nor realistic option for the Rockets. I think if he was making around the 9-10 million dollar range then nobody will bring up any of his deficiencies. That is why people think its not a viable option after you taken into account his age and contract. Then you are really kidding yourselves when you think that VC is just on the market for "table scraps". The Nets have already turned down one offer from the Cavs for Wally's last season+ picks, and they turned it down because it wasn't enough. The Nets have already unloaded enough cap space through the Kidd and Jefferson trade to sign Lebron for the max in 09/10, but they still have to be semi competitive to show Lebron he can win there. So for Carter to be traded you have to expect the Nets want some what of a equal value in return. Also outside of Yao and TMAC the only players other teams might what is Bobby Jackson's contract and Battier. If you couldn't even get Outlaw+13th pick for Battier and the 25th, I really don't think you can convince the nets to trade him even if the Rockets wanted him.
Like some people said tmac is aging and so is vc. Who wants two aging, overpaid, past their prime, used to be all-star, cousins on the same team? Any takers? We need to get players that will fit not clash and also that dont do the same thing. They have now been prone to shooting more j's than takin it to the hole like the old days.
the dude still has major athleticism. and i know he has a bad rap for being a jumpshooter, but he's no more a jumpshooter than tmac. and his jumper is better. i for one, would welcome him. plus, think of the marketability!!!![/QUOTE] You have got to be kidding me!!! Tmacs j is way better than vc. Hes been tryin to prove he has a jumper since he got in the nba. Sorry dude check your sources.
Id prefer that too but there is no way we need high paying, long term contracts to match vc's and most of them are listed above.
You have got to be kidding me!!! Tmacs j is way better than vc. Hes been tryin to prove he has a jumper since he got in the nba. Sorry dude check your sources.[/QUOTE] well, if my sources are statistics, then VC shoots a higher career fg%, 3pt%, and ft%. T-mac hasnt shot better than .800 from the FT EVER in his career. come on. if you look at just 07-08, vince statistically had a better season. VC: 2007-08 Statistics PPG 21.3 RPG 6.0 APG 5.1 SPG 1.2 BPG 0.4 FG% 0.456 FT% 0.816 3P% 0.359 MPG 38.9 TMAC: 2007-08 Statistics PPG 21.6 RPG 5.1 APG 5.9 SPG 1.0 BPG 0.4 FG% 0.419 FT% 0.684 3P% 0.292 MPG 37.0 anyway, just from watching them play, statistics aside, i feel that vince is a better shooter.
lolz this is a very good topic. What team can go wrong with having 3 all-stars and a solid supporting cast? When looking at the salary structure of it all it's not nearly as bad as Boston and we would still have them beat in terms of overall team tallent and salary. At some point you have to gamble and the time to gamble is now not in 2010 and if there was available players of VC calibur with a better contract, i truely believe Morey would have been on it by now, not to mention when that time rolls around who will be available? VC has a team option in his last year so the reality of it all is if they have plans for someone else, younger player they can terminate VC if they had too and at some point again when will we have a dominate presence and wing with another added wing any time soon? We would not have to sign anyone for another 2 years anyways. When T-Mac expires and the gamble of winning it all or even coming close would probably motivate him to resign for a better contract. It's not that bad considering the team would already be built around the 3 for atleast 2 years, and by that time Carter only has 1 year left + a team option.
Ummmmmm, what we need is as a bonafide 3rd superstar since we are competing with SA, LA in the West and Boston in the East. I'm for whoever we can acquire that brings it to the table. So, I'm for Vince Carter or any of the others. Some of the others aren't bonafide superstars. No, we don't need any of their contracts. We don't need McGrady and Yao's contracts. Let's ask them to play for free.
do it, its not like we are making cap space for lebron or dwade because honestly why would they want to come to houston? only way they would is if Yao seriously stays healthy and shows that he needs a guard to work with.
If he can play at NJ, where the ball is essentially in jkidd's hand all the time, and still get the same stats when jkidd left, its logical to think he be able to do it rox. he still plays up to the high 30s in a game, so i cant really see why he cant come in and take over battier place. He will not be able to defend as well as battier, but he is no slouch either, and he sure is 2x battier in the offense. Cant see what that 2010 FA really affect rox, as i cant see anyone of them wants to come to rox. Anyway, there is a possibility of SnA which is all the more tantalizing for the FAs, as it meant more money and longer terms.
On July 1st of 2007 the following was true: Kevin Garnett, 31 yo, 12 yr veteran, 4 years removed from the his best 3 NBA seasons. Ray Allen, 32 yo, 11 yr veteran, having best scoring season, but worst FG % in 3 yrs and worst 3-pt % in 6 years and also only playing 55 games due to injury. Paul Pierce, 29 yo, 9 yr veteran, with lowest averages in FG %, assists, rebounds in 3 yrs, played on 47 games due to injuries. I'm not saying getting Carter will solve all our problems, or will get us the championship, but people are being silly with the aging, past-their prime argument. Even a bad game by either Carter or McGrady (say 15-17 pt, 5 reb, 4 assists) is a good to great game by of our other wing players, and they will not do that all the time. Boston won everything, because even if one of their big 3 was off, the the other two could play well enough that they were in every game. If a role player played well, or all 3 had good games, they almost always won unless there was a herculean effort by a star on the other team (Kobe, Lebron, etc.) Now if you want to argue, that it would ruin the franchise to take on a guy owed $ 15 million for the next 5 yrs, then your probably right. However, to get a Championship, it will probably that level of risk or reward move.
Just tell me, what do you think of Dallas trading away Devin Harris and more for Jason Kidd? And, when are the Rockets going to bring over the banners for the championships won by Olajuwon / Barkley / Drexler from The Summit?
In that quote didn't I just say that it may not work, and it is a risk/reward move? I know there are examples in which it does not work, just like there are examples where it does work. There is no rule that says it does or does not work, and if that is the only option to have a chance at a championship in 2-3 years, you have to take that chance. I don't know if that is the only option, only Morey does.
well, if my sources are statistics, then VC shoots a higher career fg%, 3pt%, and ft%. T-mac hasnt shot better than .800 from the FT EVER in his career. come on. if you look at just 07-08, vince statistically had a better season. VC: 2007-08 Statistics PPG 21.3 RPG 6.0 APG 5.1 SPG 1.2 BPG 0.4 FG% 0.456 FT% 0.816 3P% 0.359 MPG 38.9 TMAC: 2007-08 Statistics PPG 21.6 RPG 5.1 APG 5.9 SPG 1.0 BPG 0.4 FG% 0.419 FT% 0.684 3P% 0.292 MPG 37.0 anyway, just from watching them play, statistics aside, i feel that vince is a better shooter.[/QUOTE] people don't double VC now come on. But, I'm all for it, get rid of battier please
OK IM REALLY GETTING TIRED OF PEOPLE COMPARING US, if even possible, GETTING VC, TO THE CELTS! First off the celts won the championship with D, when have you seen vc remotely looking like a player that can play some serious D like KG, Ray, an PP did. And whats with all these stats that people bring up from just last years season. Do me a favor pull up career stats from when players were bonafide stars and compare that for me. Anyone can have one great statistical season and one lousy one.
Ray Allen and Paul Pierce weren't exactly ever known as defensive wizards. KG definitely is the defensive anchor of that team, and won Defensive Player of the Year award, so you can't take that from them...BUT I think you'll find a lot of coaches and GM's around the league credit that team's defensive success to Tom Thibadeaux (sp?). Which means, it's the system as much as the players, at times....ASSUMING you have player at least willing to put in the effort. The Rockets do. Even before Shane, they were very very solid defensively. Vince Carter is not a defensive superstar...but then, aside from the same early career don't play hard issues people have brought up time and time again, he is definitely capable and seems more then willing to try. Defense is so difficult because it is so much more about team than individual players, for the most part. That's how Marcus Camby can win defensive player of the year awards yet the Nuggets have never been a good defensive team. As for stats, Carters career stats are on par with last season, in some case better. I don't understand the point you are trying to make there...
The Rockets have a decent shot at winning the championship without making a major move. They need to be very, very careful about messing with things too much. I'm not saying a big move might not be great, but they'd better really be sure.
