Vince Carter - Let's talk stats and performance (like Morey)

This will be very interesting to see as to what approach would the Rockets take and what Morey is trying to tell us.

If we trade away Tmac (which unlikely), it means that we think a duo of VC and Yao plus possible our current core is enough to win it all. Which also tells us that Morey is still trying to build around Yao for the next few years.

If we trade away Ron plus filters, that means we are pretty much given up this year and getting ready for 2010 with Tmac's expiring contract.

With the Duo of Yao and VC, plus 23 mils cap space, we are in position to resign Yao and enough to sign another super star. if not we can use this cap for trade to get any star that is not a FA in 2010.

Personally, I doubt we will land Lebron. However with Wade we got hope. I doubt given the situation in mami now with JO, and beasley is enough for wade to stay put. Who wouldn't want no property tax in Texas?

 

No way, T-Mac is a better overall player than VC and there is no doubt about that. The problem is Tracy is always injured.

 

He even told us (or, Michael Lewis) the following:

So, Vince is at the level of Battier's career. Or on the same plane with the 2007-2008 Carmelo Anthony, and TMac.

You decide what that means.

 

Stop and think about what you just said.

 

As of today Carter is many times better than an injured TMac and could really help out this team. Artest is as good as gone after this summer. I say pull the trigger if the Carter trade's on the table. We can further improve the team next year using Tracy's expiring contract (or if he miraculously comes back that'd be even better).

We have maybe 3-4 good years left in Yao and that's our window of opportunity (although you can argue that the window does not exist in reality). We have to try to win it now.

Remember, rebuliding is not fun unless you are damn lucky (see the Kings).

 

It's likely we're (the fans) severely underestimating Carter. With Chandler on the brink of being traded, it's a possibility that Morey thinks we can get to the WCF this year.

 

Quite possibly. McGrady is such a massive wild card to me.

If we can go into the playoffs healthy, this is still the best supporting cast we've had in the last 5 years despite its flaws. Brooks (and all his flaws) is still an upgrade over nothing at point guard. Losing Landry would be a blow, but Scola has improved this year. Throw in Barry and Wafer, and move Battier to more of a support role.

In prior years, we needed TMac to be a monster for 4 quarters, and he could only do it for 3.5. We now have the roster where we really only need him for half a quarter, and he may not have that left in him. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

 

you mean state tax?

 

Bingo,

No doubt vince and tmac aren't that far away while comparing careers but...you have to understand mcGrady was once considered to be the best player in the world for a two year span...

No doubt vince is a better player now but that's just cuz of injuries.

Vince is definately top 3 all time high flyer though....hope he comes to houston.

 

Agree, T-Mac is the huge wildcard on all this. You would have to think the rockets already know the condition of T-Macs knee be it good or bad. More than likely T-Mac comes back after his embarrassing performance and missed dunk in his last game and especially if Artest is moved. I personally think the team has moved on when it comes to depending on T-Mac.

 

I don't want any part of Carter's contract. He looks good for his age but swingmen who rely so much on their athleticism age like boxers. They can be 33 and look 23 in one fight and a few months later be 33 and look 43. He has already lost a step and expect him to lose another two steps rapidly.

 

If we give up on T Mac and get Vince then the big question who will pass to Yao Ming? There is also the possibility that we are giving up on Artest.
However I hope we protect our future- Brooks,Landry, Wafer as well as Scola, I wouldn't mind our trading T Mac, Artest, Battier, Head, Berry, Chuck and Dorsey.
By the way I just looked at Rockets .com and the Roster had no Yao Ming and no Tracy McGrady listed in it!!!! An error I hope!!

 

iono guys...im way too hesitant to pull the trigger for tmac for carter because

1) tmac's contract is going to look a lot better next year. who says we cant sign one of the big guns? i know we havent been mentioned by any of the big stars, but who wouldn't wanna play with yao ming in his prime? and solid role players in scola, brooks, landry, wafer, and possibly battier/artest?

2) carter is not the facilitator that tmac can be. tmac is probably one of the best facilitators in the game actually. excellent passer, and with our team lacking facilitators, tmac fits us better than carter. + he has chemistry with rafer, yao, landry, and scola

3) tmac may be slacking now and hurt...but go back to the forums from when we were in the playoffs with ANY team...they all say tmac did good...but we just fell short. we all know tmac turns it on when it counts and hes going to try real hard in the playoffs.

 

Vince has been playing pretty good all year. I'm one of the hopefuls that are eager to see what Ron Artest brings us. If that player is Vince, I'm happy. I think the Rockets need more players that take the ball to the basket. Vince puts on a good show when he is on the court, and would make the games more enjoyable from a fans perspective.

 

It is a nice move and dunk but you do realize that he is wearing a Raptors jersey with Ben Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse still on the Pistons right.. A more recent video would have been better for some people on here that really don't know about his game.

 

2008/2009 early season highlights:

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Good video,but that is only showcasing the upside.

 

yeah..... VC would be fun to watch in a Rockets jersey. I'm all for it. It would be nice to see the cousins playing together.

 

I agree completely. I don't have the time to do it, though, but if you're Morey, you're projecting out who those teams are and what potential offers may be on the table...obviously, impossible to do - who would have thought Amare would be on the table this year - but still, you give it a try.

But I think the above is exactly why Morey would prefer to move Artest for Carter than T-Mac. It's all about value. Artest's contract has value right now, Tracy's has some, but not nearly as much as it will have.

I think also, there is some hope of the Carter/TMac reunion may be helpful for TMac in other ways. With the continued confusion surrounding him, though - and I think at this point, it's clearly not just the fans who are confused...Morey has to be as well - it does muddle things up.

Because if TMac is done for good this season, or is truly in some way or another seriously injured, then you basically have no shot this year unless you trade him (and he'd still have some decent value as a contract only, right), and then maintain a big 3 - Yao, Artest, [fill in the blank/Carter].

If, even at best, you thought you'd at least get Tracy for 25 - 30 minutes a night at 15 points, 4 boards, 4 assists and some effort on defense, then trading Ron for a VC type player both helps you salvage this year (and still potentially make a run) AND keep a serviceable Tracy with a contract that only makes him more and more valuable as a trade commodity.

Then, even recognizing Carter's contract isn't pretty, if he can maintain his level of play for a few seasons, and you can turn Tracy next offseason or year into whoever the Amare is next season (hopefully a quality PG of some type...), then you've maintained a big 3, that hopefully fits better, you've maintained a potential to compete currently, and you're not chasing the 2010 free agent pipe dream (which it most likely is, for most teams).

 

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