The prison 'abuse scandal' has given the liberals carte blanche to wage war against American troops and their leaders over the past week. Boy have they taken advantage of it. The Pelosi/ChappaKennedy wing of the Demoncratic party has been on the attack relentlessly against good hard-working American leaders and troops. Maybe today's news will bring them back down to earth and realize we have a war to fight, and that war isn't against American troops, but rather militant extremists like these. This is a sad day, as we mourn this loss.
What the he!! are you talking about?!? I brought up actual evidence in the form of intelligence reports (which, unlike the ones used to take us to war, have not been debunked) that show that Al Qaeda did not have ties to Saddam. You made a claim that has been debunked by every legitimate intelligence service in the world. Who is dodging?
Al Quida is definately in Iraq...now...but they weren't before. Anyway, these actions are deplorable...but expected. As Americans, we are a socially advanced society and must lead by example. We have to take the moral high ground or we'll be stuck in an Isreali/Palastinian conflict that is perpetually stuck in a "Oh yea, well than I'll hit you again" mentality...on both sides...that never ends. We have to complete our objective (whatever it is) and figure out how to gracefully exit.
Good point. So far, I haven't heard one AND I don't think a case could be made by anyone except for maybe Michael Moore.
For the record, for people who can read AND think at the same time: The theory that Saddam was connected to 9-11 contradicts several known facts, and is supported by virtually none. * Saddam was a known enemy of groups like AQ which threatened his hold on absolute power. * Osama Bin Laden is on record, going back years, as saying that Saddam was among Islam's greatest enemies in the region, and that AQ sought his elimination. * Contradicts the findings of the US intelligence community, as summarized in the NIE. * Contradicts the admissions of Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, etc. who all admit that nothing is known which connects them. As AQ sought, and Saddam feared, his removal has created a void on Iraq into which AQ has gladly stepped, and as US power in the region is among AQ's greatest issues, it is entirely predictable that the invasion of Iraq also brought AQ into the region. This was predicted by many terrorism experts prior to the war. Additionally, I don't know of ANY liberal, conservative, whig or whatever who has claimed that there is no AQ presence in Iraq NOW...can any of the people making this accusation offer any examples? There has been some contention that AQ/foregn terrorists only represent a minority of those fighting the US in Iraq, but of course the source of this contention is the US military itself... But, yeah, it's those who say there is no connection who are basing their position on their own say-so...God, this is pathetic.
Typical ignorance: Al-Sadr is a shi'ite mullah leading the insurgency in southern Iraq more akin to Iranians and has no known connection to Al-Qaeda (with Al-Qaeda being predominatly radical Wahabbists (sunnis), such a connection with a fundamentalist Shi'ite would be not entirely logical) Thus far there is no connection between Al-Sadr and Al Qaeda, (though we bring them closer by our actions each passing day) Second, a recent AP report indicated that most estimates by the US military indicate that the Iraqi insurgency is made up of between 90-99% Iraqis, with only a small fraction of foreign fighters. http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/05/04/2003154092; this casts doubts as to the size and scope of al qaeda influence Iraq, even today. Finally, I see you are attempting to utilize your patented temporal distortion model of causation: Al Qaeda presence in Iraq as a direct consequence of our invasion in 2004 means that Iraq planned the Sept 11 attacks. Now, this is moronic on its face, but I'll let the President field this one: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th" GWB, September 2003 Thx for your input though. EDIT: I apologize to those in this thread for getting dragged down into this by this joker and Joker_#1. Like I said before, this is a horrible action and I hope the criminals who did this are caught one way or the other.
This is just dumb. This man had his head cut off. These people suck. Everybody needs to stop politicizing this and the prison photos. Both suck. This is suckier.
Agreed. If we are to set up a democratic state in Iraq (which is our goal, IIRC), we cannot get caught up in a game of one-upsmanship. These butchers will continue to perform horrific acts and the only way we are going to convince the rational, law-abiding Iraqis that we mean what we say is to stand up and fight our urges for revenge.
So MacBeth in reading your latest masterpiece in arrogance, I can only infer that you agree with the statement that the war in Iraq is a part of the War on Terror, as we battle al Queda. Thanks for finally admitting that.
Good luck, MacBeth. They'll stick their fingers in their ears and ignore the facts, or they'll trot out the, "We've created a magnet for terrorists in Iraq... they're being drawn here so we can bump them off. It's a brilliant strategy!!!"
I said Al Zawarhi or whatever the hell his name is....now go "google" him and come back with your findings
HOLY CRAP!!! I AGREE WITH SOMETHING T_J SAID!!! Of course, the rest of his post was complete garbage. Go figure.
Also, for the record, for those who are apparently trying to create levels of comparative evil, the abuses and torture of Iraqi POWS also includes homocide. For the umpteenth time, the abuses according to General Taguba are far wider, and somewhat greater, than those caught in the infamous pictures.
I find it curious that the posting from the fringe has accelerated this thread to almost three pages in just a few minutes. It's almost like they were waiting for something that would justify their abysmally wrong views on the A-G torture and allow them to spew forth a torrent of non-sequiturs that provide absolutely no insight into either the torture or the beheading. The reaction is exactly what was desired by the scum that killed Berg. And speaking of blaming Bush, here's an article on Al-Z... ___________________ Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind Abu Musab Zarqawi blamed for more than 700 killings in Iraq By Jim Miklaszewski Correspondent NBC News Updated: 7:14 p.m. ET March 02, 2004 With Tuesday’s attacks, Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant with ties to al-Qaida, is now blamed for more than 700 terrorist killings in Iraq. But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger. In June 2002, U.S. officials say intelligence had revealed that Zarqawi and members of al-Qaida had set up a weapons lab at Kirma, in northern Iraq, producing deadly ricin and cyanide. The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, the plan was debated to death in the National Security Council. “Here we had targets, we had opportunities, we had a country willing to support casualties, or risk casualties after 9/11 and we still didn’t do it,” said Michael O’Hanlon, military analyst with the Brookings Institution. Four months later, intelligence showed Zarqawi was planning to use ricin in terrorist attacks in Europe. The Pentagon drew up a second strike plan, and the White House again killed it. By then the administration had set its course for war with Iraq. “People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of preemption against terrorists,” according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey. In January 2003, the threat turned real. Police in London arrested six terror suspects and discovered a ricin lab connected to the camp in Iraq. The Pentagon drew up still another attack plan, and for the third time, the National Security Council killed it. Military officials insist their case for attacking Zarqawi’s operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam. The United States did attack the camp at Kirma at the beginning of the war, but it was too late — Zarqawi and many of his followers were gone. “Here’s a case where they waited, they waited too long and now we’re suffering as a result inside Iraq,” Cressey added. And despite the Bush administration’s tough talk about hitting the terrorists before they strike, Zarqawi’s killing streak continues today. (no kidding.)
I think Taguba's next report should be a report documenting Iraqi atrocities. That might help stem the liberals' constant beratement of US troops. What is interesting about this is Forbes Kerry's silence on the issue. Hmm.... Well I guess someone who committed war crimes and atrocities himself doesn't really have a leg to stand on here.
Wait a cotton pickin minute!!!!!!! You mean to tell me that there were actually Al Queda scumbags in Iraq before this year? Holy smokes!
