Sorry if I'm being argumentative but I think I'm being civil about it...unlike other examples were seeing right now. I find this converstion interesting. Okay, I'll agree with you that it would be nice if Muslim leaders would speak out on this matter. It really would be nice...for America. My point is, don't expect too much. Beyond the simple right vs. wong thing, it doesn't serve any purpose for them to speak out. One of my primary disagreements with you is your perception that Islam is in trouble. They have 1.5 billion followers. Just because America has a negative perception doesn't mean they have a problem. But I will say that I have heard many examples of Muslim leaders describing these acts as deplorable. I won't cite them...others have...even in this thread. Our media tends to focus on the outlandish things. Just cause some cleric somewhere says something, it isn't going to be headline news unless it is contraversial. At the same time, they have to walk a fine line and not set a perception that jeaperdizes enemies that walk among themselves. It's one thing to criticize somebody on the other side of the world...it's another when it's your neighbor.
I just started watching the video but I couldn't bear to watch all of it. I clicked off before it even got close...I'm nauseous from even listening to him say the names of his family.
Agreed. As far as I am concerned, MadMax is one of the intelligent, reasonable conservatives here and he is vilified by people like t_j and u_t as a "lunatic fringe liberal." I mean, I can see how some people might mistake me as a liberal given my stance on the war (s) (in Iraq and on drugs), but Max has never struck me as anything but conservative.
The terrorists did't come from nowhere. It was the result of the failure of the US middle east policy. Even though you kill some Al Qaieda psychos, they can recruit more. The only way to get rid of them is to get rid of the deep hatred between the US and the Middle East, in a large part due to the Israel- Arab relationship. How about respect the islamic culture and make peace with them?
If you can find an example of a post by a "pitbull on the left" that is anywhere near as bad as the garbage posted by t_j on a regular basis, I will grant you that one. I just haven't seen that kind of thing except in response to t_js idiocy.
I agree with this. Some of those prisoners that we mistreated were the same people that dragged American bodies through the streets and hung them from a bridge. I still don't think its right that we did those things to them. I'm not aligned with them, but I'm still POd that those guys mistreated them. Muslim leaders don't have to align themselves with Americans to denounce beheading a guy that was in Iraq to help rebuild the infrastructure and actually was there to perform a service for a Muslim country.
Again. Perception. If leaders speak out too loudly, extremists will "perceive" then as aligning. These guys don't need much motivation. Once Muslim leaders are perceived to be aligned with America, they themselves become targets. Why is this hard to understand?
andymoon, would you consider someone who posted the following little poo nuggets to be a pit bull? Can any liberal guess who crafted these fine sculptures of poo? I'll give you a hint! His math error today was legendary!
But you're missing a couple of key points here: 1. Muslim leaders are already targetted. They're already branded as infidels, simply because they don't adhere to Al Qaeda Islam...the extreme forms. 2. You said it doesn't serve any purpose for them to speak out...how about to speak out on behalf of their god? This is their faith...for these men, their life! I absolutely have purpose when I tell people that the Harris County Republican Party is not the spokesperson for Jesus Christ...and I would think that Islamic clerics would have an even deeper reason to assure that Al Qaeda does not speak for Allah...or for his true followers. Because the last thing you want...as a priest...or a cleric...or a rabbi...is someone getting the impression that the god you worship calls for torture and killing of civilians. You're looking at this practically...I'm looking at this from a spiritual perspective, particularly as it relates to those who adhere closest to the teachings of the Koran.
Something we agree on. I saw that much at CNN on the net and turned it off. I'll never watch it. I think, as some others here have said, that watching it and getting angry is what the murdering terrorists want. It's easy enough to get angry already.
Exactly. Why would they want to inflame the situation? They already know they are being watched. How many people would speak out on a matter that doesn't directly involve them if it costs them their lives? Bingo. That is our difference. I agree with you on a spiritual level(what I meant by "right vs. wrong") issue. They should speak out. But on a practicual level, I'm not generally going to say/do things that endanger me, my family or friends. But again, some have spoken out. It just doesn't get many headlines in North America.
He said it himself, people respond strongly to your prodding posts. You'd be hard pressed to find such "poo" that wasn't a rebuttal to you or a couple others around here. Legendary? Please. Some people respond to the point. While others, such as yourself, too often respond to obvious and trivial misstatements which don't credit/discredit the actual point. Such as your meaningless "poo" response to my OJ comment. How did that further the conversation? You never responded...as usual.
Once again, t_j demonstrates his utter lack of reading comprehensions skills. Let me ask a rhetorical question, t_j (it is rhetorical because I will not see your response as you are being ignored). Did you consciously decide to be a lying shill whose only goal is to slander and deride others or did it come naturally? Thank God I won't see your response, moron. The only reason I saw this one was the echo in someone else's post.
How classic is this? andymoon, something tells me that you read every single one of my posts. You are an ignore peeker.
A breakthrough indeed! What breakthrough are you talking about? You've just indicated that they are either part of Saddam's ousted power elite or they are interlopers hoping to seize power permanently. How are they a better option that the US to bring stability to Iraq? They have obvious long-term designs on Iraq... and it ain't pretty....
It really is funny the glee you take in pointing out typos and other irrelevant errors. Especially when there are three or four words you misspell on a regular basis.
But do I misspell them while ridiculing other people's reading and writing skills? I think not! That, my friend, is the irony of the situation! Now do you get it? GOOD DAY
Agree or deny: you imply here that the US does <b>not</b> speak for the Iraqi people? Are you saying that AQ does a better job of speaking for the Iraqi people than does the US? Likewise are you saying that AQ is a better choice to fill that power vacuum?
