(Video Game) Is Modern Warfare 2 Terriost Stage too Much?

The level of violence and game play on this level is far and away worse than shooting at a german soldier who is shooting back, it is not even CLOSE to the same.

Are you seriously saying that walking into a modern airport and hosing civilians is the same game play?

Seriously?

I screen all his games, he has not come close to playing all of them, but he does like the WW2 ones....and the zombie level is a blast.....

There is a big difference in that and what this is....and you guys attempting to shift the argument is pretty lame.

100% ...FT....100%......

And people acting like there is no difference are just not being truthful.

DD

 

Sure, saying zero influence is impossible, but video games are to put it mildly such a minor factor that it's almost generally irrelevant. Or can you name someone who killed a bunch of people to whom video games were a major factor for him? (and if you play the Columbine card, I will simply - there were a lot of other factors that were massively more important than Doom).

What, a cutscene? Would have lacked nowhere near the emotional and artistic power as many players don't follow cutscenes, especially in a FPS, and putting in a cutscene where the bad guys go and kill a bunch of innocent people is hardly a revolutionary idea and would definitely not be so powerful in showing war's brutality. In putting you in the driver's seat, in forcing you to do it, it truly shows how things are like this are terrible that couldn't be depicted through mere showing.

So once again, a video game dealing with a mature subject with mature ramifications is a bad thing?

 

No, but it should be rated X, and it is irresponsible game design to say the least.

Well sure, if you are going to ignore the influence and best example then of course you can roll your eyes....lol.


DD

 

There is stuff on the news that is just as violent, and it's real. I don't see the news being password protected.

To me, it comes down to parenting. Those parents who care enough to censor what their kids see will handle it to make sure the kids don't see the scene in the game.

Hopefully the parents who don't care what their kids see are at least explaning to them the difference between real and make-believe.

Blaming Activision is just a way of making excuses for the parents who don't take the extra step to protect their kids. Besides, it's rated M. If it were rated T with a scene like that, then I can say Activision can be blamed.

 

Do you understand the difference between a passive experience and an interactive one?

Seeing it on the news is one thing, doing it in a game is completely another thing.

Both desensitize, but one is way way worse.

Trust me, new laws will come from this, and it will ultimatly hurt our industry.

DD

 

Yeah but you said video games that include killing have influence, you didn't say just this level. It's not the same game play but it's just that, a game. Why is this more offensive than GTA, Saints Row, or a host of other popular games where you can mow a bunch of civilians down?

I'm not shifting the argument, I am merely stating the fact. A bunch of other stuff you have complained about is found in these games yet you let your 11 year old play them.

Again, there is a difference in that level compared to others but is there really any difference compared to other games released in recent years?

 

so let me get this straight. It's ok for an 11 year old to snipe a human being with a camouflage helmet on but it's not ok if that human being is wearing an DKNY shirt?

 

I refuse to believe you can not see how this is an entirely new level.

I pick and choose which ones he can play....and it is irrelevent to the overall discussion of violence. And again, not the same level...not even close....you are shifting the argument from one about the violence level in this game to my parenting, and frankly it is none of your business.

Yes...a TON of difference....the political ramifications, the killing of innocents, what is next....

Try to sneak past the FBI guard post and plant your truck bomb in Oklahoma city?

Hey, why not try to fly a plane into some towers in NY or Chicago....

I mean, it is just a game, right?



DD

 

All right, fire it off. The guys were psychotic and depressed, bullied, and had a messiah complex. Did they play violent video games? Yes. But when a psychotic and violent man plays a violent video game, and then goes and shoots people, it doesn't happen because he played a violent video game, it happened because he's psychotic and violent, which the two men were to begin with. You would have to argue that they were normal rational men who became psychotic killers due to video games, and that's impossible.

And ultimately, as there is zero evidence that playing video games leads to increased violence, there's no way you can fire it off.

So it's irresponsible for them to deal with a mature subject with mature ramifications. I see.

 

I think playing a war game is completely different than walking into an airport and hosing down civilians, yes.

COMPLETELY different.

I can not believe that people here are actually trying to bridge the gulf and compare the two....

I mean...honestly? You guys think a war game is the same as what is done here?

You don't see the escalation?....REALLY?

Yes, because people under 18 are not mature....exactly...thanks for proving my point.

DD

 

Aren't terrorist acts a part of warfare now, especially modern warfare? I mean it's not pretty but it's the truth.

 

Yes but that doesn't mean the game designers need to let you play AS A TERRORIST....

That is a leap that is all new and honestly, IMO, not necessary, and over the top in violence.

And as a guy in the industry who believes in our ability to police ourselves, this gets me hoping mad because we are going to get SCREWED over this with new laws and regulations.

Just poor poor taste.....hey, why not a game about abducting children? I mean it is only a game, right?



DD

 

Why not? I can even argue that the war game's even worse, as it ends up glorfying war while you're hosing down the bad guy, while the airport scene doesn't.

Except for the fact that the airport hosing is not portrayed as a good thing and it's mentioned how bad it is. Have you realized that yet?

 

To each his own. I don't see it as any different than what past games have done. Maybe it's just because this game is so popular but oh well.....

I don't mean to question your parenting but if you want to take it like that fine. Don't bring it up.

Yes, because this type of act has happened before and their using the exact location and specifications of past events to pull this off.

 

I think it is more responsible to respect such atrocities and respect the line of decency.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

You guys have no idea what this will lead to.......just watch.

DD

 

The level's a bit crazy, but I'm not sure if it goes too far. I talked to some of the guys at work and they all played it without hesitation. One did say that he started to feel guilty about killing the civilians.

i know I'm lame, but the first couple of times I shot Makarov. Then when I walked with them I shot at the walls and ceiling just to play it off. Yes, I'm that lame.

 

I watched that video on page 1. I'll admit it was a bit disturbing. And I agree that because you can do something doesn't mean you should. With that said, I still don't think it was wrong for them to have that level. If you're gonna make a war game, civilian casualties are a given...even if that means you're the one pulling the trigger.

 

I'm just going to end talking about this now by saying the following. When does it become the parent's time to become responsible. The game makers rate the game and even warn you about offensive levels and the major retailers ask for ID when purchasing T rated games and above. When is it the parent's turn to step up and say something because it looks like to me others are doing their part.

My sister lets her 11 year old watch horror/suspense movies and recently let her watch a movie called The House on the Left or something like that. She didn't know that it contained some type of brutal rape scene or she would have changed her mind. Is that the movie producers fault, the rental facility's? No, it is my sisters for not screening it and knowing ahead of time what it was about. Yeah, yeah, yeah it's interactive, perspective or whatever but the same thing remains, it is something not made for children in the first place.

Same thing with this game, some type of responsibility has to lie with the parents. I don't see what laws they could make that would restrict this as it would more than likely be found that it infringes upon First Amendment rights. All the hoopla about this scene does nothing more than make others go out and buy a copy as well. The GTA series had a lot of controversy surrounding it before IV was released but it still came.

 

Yeah, no, nothing is going to happen.

This is not substantially worse than anything seen in GTA4.

I mowed down people at the airport in that game, too. And killing cops who are trying to protect citizens is far worse. And there's a lot of cop killing in that game. I beat many people to death at the burger shot with a baseball bat, and I don't see that becoming an epidemic either.

 

Watch, this will lead to new more restrictive laws....it is a lot different than GTA...which BTW had to pull millions of copies off the shelf because of an interactive SEX scene which could be unlocked.

It almost sunk Take Two.....they were bankrupt because of it.....they barely recovered.....but now they are just fine....

Yeah, this will hit Congress, it will cause a major stir, and more than likely a new LAW enjorced rating system.

WOOHOOO !!

DD