OK, I've luckily been alerted to this post. Zapruder question: At the end of the fight, during the reconciliation by the Escalades, was that white stuff: a) his eyeball ripped from its socket (which must have happened before the videotaped segment, helping validate Byrd's desire to "get my breath." b) Byrd's orbital bone, possibly shattered, visible because of Slice's breaking the skin by his eye c) Owing to the cut in the footage, a poorly constructed FX piece meant to look like a combination of (a) and (b) above I know there are several lawyers who frequent the site, but are there any trauma surgeons in the Hangout? SamFisher, do you do medical malpractice by any chance? Any Fangoria cinephiles? I need a lot of conjecture, and at least one expert opinion on this subject. Thanks in advance.
I've actually been studying this all day by rewatchig the clip and ("ALL DAY"- Kimbo) As far as I can tell, the man we refer to as "Kimbo" is actually the guy being called Byrd (at one point, his backer screams "Byrd, close him out, **** up his left eye"). ALso the victim doesn't say "I need to take a break;" Rather, if you follow the dialouge that is Kimbo/Byrd's voice that says " I need to get my BREAD" i e. to get paid. The "Kimbo Slice" name pops up on various boxing and martial arts website forum posting (and its also the file name) so I don't know what to say about where that comes from, though somebody claimed the Porno site that he's on calls him Kimbo -- I haven't checked on this yet as I'm still at work. What also pops up is the story that I posted a few posts up. As for the eye thing, I just don't know, I 've watched it paused it etc again and again; it might be swollen tissue with weird lighting, it could be makeup, it might even be gauze or something. I highly doubt that it is his smashed eyeball, he'd probably be in a less sportsmanlike mood. Is the whole thing fake? Possibly. It sure looks like he's punching him for real though to me. Other speculation I have seen is that Kimbo was hopped up on PCP or some short term anabolic shot (which is why he let the victim hit him full on). The mystery continues. Loads of great Kimbo photoshops out there though. EDIT: more: an alleged interview looks to be BS And there are a bunch of postings around from somebody claiming to be Marcos Rivera, his manager saying that they are setting up his next few fights -- he answers the name question and claims that Kimbo Slice was a name that he changed it too, or from, which is why he doesn't show up in FL DOC records.
Ahhh... "get my bread" Now it's starting to unravel. See, I thought it was hilarious that one of Byrd_a/victim's posse told the victim to finish it, hilarious because he had no chance of even starting it. But that makes a lot more sense. (I especially like the double-take and muttered 'damn' by Byrd_a/victim after he just threw two unopposed shots that had no effect. He knew it was over.) Yeah, the, "We said no weapons but no mace," sounds like a bad piece of fiction I would write after seeing this for the first through hundredth times. So Byrd_b/Kimbo Slice probably is Byrd, and the Byrd_a/victim is nameless, which, owing to his performance, is probably for the best. No, I don't for a second think the fight was fake, just maybe that noname's eye was doctored up after the fact to make it look more gory for the video. But the more times I see it on the loop, the more I'm willing to concede it's (a) or (b). I only thought that it might be a faked injury at first because we don't see noname's injured eye before the later cut. But, as you pointed out, they refer to the injury during the fight, so unless they were incredible stunt choreographers, it has to be real. My bet is it's (b), bone shard, but I'm not confident with that answer. With regards to their sporting congratulations, I think noname was hurting so much all over, but too prideful (pitifully pretending he wanted to continue fighting after Byrd_b/Kimbo walked away) to admit it. If it was somehow his eye ripped out (his head did snap quite forcefully back and to the left on one punch, back and to the left, back and to the left), he probably just thought it was closed because of the swelling. (Although, something is really appealing about someone sticking that tiny square of gauze [if that's what it is] on noname's massive wound, then giving him a lollipop and telling him he's all fixed up.) Did you ever see Rahman lose that revenge fight to Lewis, where a softball of blood stuck out where his eyebrow was supposed to be? I've watched a lot of the barbaric science, but Rahman's eyebrow was the first time since seeing a tape of Manilla that made me physically cringe. noname's eye reminds me a lot of Rahman's in terms of swelling. Yeah, I suspected as much. I think the search for Byrd_b/Kimbo Slice's real name will be the most intensive internet search since Libby Hoeler/Heller. Let the Googling commence!
Yeah he will soon surpass William Hung -- maybe they can fight it out. He's a mystery man all right though.
Weird, it updated your edit while I was replying to it without showing me the quote. But yeah, that interview is bogus. A guy like Kimbo Slice, beloved by all for his sincerity and directness: "F that [guy] let's run this," ""Man let me get my bread," "All day, all day," "That's how a [guy] eat man." and from now on my own personal mantra, "Ride with it," never says: Not because he doesn't love his mother, but because he knows that whatever happens, she's going to ride with it too. Also, the true Kimbo would never say: Obviously, Kimbo would never "accept the loss," any loss, ever. Nor, after giving up his chin twice to prove a point, would Kimbo ever believe he requires any "insurance" in the fight. The real Kimbo would just ride with it.
Nice photoshopping. Good choice. Like ole Nelly (both the Loch Ness monster and the slurring rapper), Kimbo Slice will never go extinct. I couldn't find anything on Google on Kimbo, mainly as I didn't search for anything, owing to the fact I reminded myself that Libby Hoeler still exists on the internet. I have my priorities. However, I am willing to try sonar to continue the search.
This guy is good, but I have seen better....I would love to see this guy go pro, seems to have all the basic skills and good foot work..
That picture is obviously faked. Kimbo would never wear a shirt, much less two, when he gets his bread.
Upon further review... OK, that cut is definitely not faked. At 1:29 and 1:34, even though the sun is behind him, noname's profile definitely shows the swelling already. The problem I had was looking for a big left Kimbo landed to create that carnage. (Also, the problem I had was being used to seeing the damage from gloved, not open, fisticuffs.) But at :06 seconds in, noname already kinda holds up his hands, half-pleading and not really wanting to be in this fight. Kimbo, having missed with his opening jab and, standing on the grassy knoll, lands his second punch, a vicious right cross. For some reason noname (you're right, somebody taught Kimbo to box; noname was never introduced to that somebody) had his head turned to the left side, exposing his right eye. I believe this decidedly non-phantom punch is the one that partially solves the riddle. As to the white stuff, I still don't know, and this confusion troubles me... Maybe some things are better left unknown. But I am now convinced that whatever it is, it definitely should not be there, and should in a more perfect world still be inside of our poor noname. There's gotta be an easier way to make three grand.
Now that's funny. Who grieves for Kimbo Slice? Buried in a cheap grave under the name "Byrd_b/Slice"? Nobody. Ever notice how, right before he gets shot, Kimbo looks over in Ruby's general direction and kind of nods, accepting his fate? "Treason doth never prosper," wrote Kimbo Slice. "What's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." === I've tried looking up Soundbeat, Sound Beat, South Beat, and South Beach Records, but to no avail. Unless Kimbo is not a pornographer at all, and is actually a dirty Frenchman .
Hate to bring up an old thread, but it looks like Kimbo Slice finally met his match (vs. a Boston Policeman/MMA fighter) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7699757356670695158&q=kimbo
Apparently, not without a lil controversy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimbo_Slice Kimbo Slice v. Sean Gannon Kimbo was challenged by Sean Gannon AKA "Gannon the Cannon" to a MMA-style fight. The fight was held in an enclosed padded room, and both fighters had full a full entourage in attendance. The rules agreed upon by both fighter are somewhat controversial. It is unknown the exact rules, but it appears that kicking was not allowed, and neither were ground submissions. Gannon's supporters allege that since the rules stated "no strikes with the foot or shin, and no ground submissions", it was within the rules for Gannon to use his knees against Kimbo and to attempt standing submissions Kimbo and Gannon exchanged punches for a while, then Kimbo bull rushed Gannon, at which point Gannon caught Kimbo in a guillotine choke. Kimbo's entourage began to protest loudly that Gannon was violating the rules of the fight. They then attempted to release Kimbo from Gannon's choke. Gannon's entourage then began to protest the interference, and blocked the camera. Fans of Gannon allege that had Kimbo's supporters not interfered, the fight would have ended at this point with Kimbo being choked out. As a result of the interference, Gannon eventually released Kimbo and Kimbo threw Gannon to the ground and began to pummel him (See 'Ground and Pound' MMA technique). Gannon escaped, and was able to stand back up. Soon after, Gannon caught Kimbo in another choke, and Kimbo's entourage protested again. Later, after more stand up fighting, Gannon held Kimbo's head down and delivered a few knees to Kimbo's face. This resulted in more protesting by Kimbo's supporters. Both fighters appear exhausted by this point, and Gannon managed to knock Kimbo down two or three times, each time with a barrage of punches. Gannon's supporters counted off the number of seconds that Kimbo stayed on the ground each time. It is unclear if the fight was intended to be stopped after a certain period of time (such as a ten count in boxing) or if Gannon's supporters were only trying to humiliate Kimbo. In any case, Kimbo was eventually unable to continue, and Gannon was declared the winner.
Well, there's not a lot of grappling in the pen. Choking a guy will take a lot of fight out of him. How did Kimbo eat that night?
