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[video] Don't F*** with George Allen's staffers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Faos, Nov 1, 2006.

  1. vlaurelio

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    that was tony soprano
     
  2. halfbreed

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    Did you expect him to say "I was heckling the senator and feel that I, indeed, posed a risk to his security?"
     
  3. dylan

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    No more than I expect him to say "I was a gorilla riding a bicycle on Main street". Both of those statements would be just as accurate.
     
  4. vlaurelio

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    hecklers = terrorist threat
     
  5. Rule0001

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    :( Allen was one of my favorite guys.
    Do these polls just poll the public opinion...? Meaning do they take in account for likely voters, or do they just poll a random sample regardless if they will vote or not.
     
  6. Dreamshake

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    Dear Jeebus. Halfbreed once again going out on the limb to protect the ridiculous thuggery of a Repbulican. But lets all remember, Halfbreed is NO repuknican.


    Halfbreed, your "no rebublican" like Neil Boortz is "no republican".
     
  7. halfbreed

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    Whatever I may be at least I know the difference between "your" and "you're." Here I thought I was just a Neanderthal who votes straight Republican because Rush Limbaugh told me to. Aren't open-minded left-wingers supposed to be vastly superior in intelligence?

    Don't worry I won't be voting "Repbulican" this year.

    How exactly is this thuggery? Just because I refuse to jump on the bandwagon of a guy who assaulted a bodyguard to get close to an elected official I'm in the wrong?

    I find it eye opening that you take this guys word for everything. The guy obviously had an agenda and while the actions of the bodyguards may or may not have been harsh you can't just rush up on anyone and not expect to get tackled to the ground.

    Al Franken beat up a guy last year for shouting during a Democrat's speech, much less than rushing towards a political candidate. Did any of you guys condemn his actions? That guy was merely talking during a speech (which is a rude move and not something I'd condone) but if this guy were only talking and there was no possibility that he presented a threat I'd understand the outrage. If this were Kerry/Clinton/Obama and the guy just HAPPENED to write for a prominent right-wing blog you guys would say that it was obviously necessary to tackle the guy because he posed a threat. I would agree with you.

    If you think it's just so impossible that any left-winger could possibly pose a threat look at the recent events when the Minutemen have visited various campuses (Columbia and Georgetown). Students rushed the stage and tried to attack those with an opposing viewpoint.

    I also don't need you telling me what my politics are. If you actually read all of the threads in this forum you'd know my real politics and my reasoning for why I think that way. While I offer reasoning for my position, you resort to personal attacks.
     
  8. Dairy Ashford

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    I don't know, but the guy who scored the takedown looked a lot like Phil Gramm, or any other middle-aged bald guy with glasses. I think it's worth disclosing what Mike Stark asked about Allen's sealed divorce records, just for context.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Mike Stark asked Allen if it was true that he spit on his first wife. That was the question.
     
  10. KingCheetah

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    You know if Allen and his staffers had just ignored the questions there wouldn't be a national debate about this marine blogger and the questions he was asking.

    Nerve touched.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    You are wrong, because Mike Stark didn't assault anyone. He didn't assault a bodyguard, or George Allen, or anyone else. It isn't about taking his word for it, it is about watching the video and seeing exactly what was going on.

    They attacked Stark. He was asking questions and trying to keep up with Allen in order to continue asking questions. The bodyguards told Stark to leave. Stark even said that he didn't have to leave, and that if someone from the hotel asked him to leave he would.

    It isn't like he was being unreasonable.

    I hadn't heard about the Al Franken deal, but of course I will condemn Franken if he attacked someone for talking.
     
  12. jo mama

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    in george bush's america asking questions of your elected representatives = security threat.
     
  13. halfbreed

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    I never said anything about George Bush.

    You guys act like a crazy person has never attempted to harm a political candidate before. I also find that you guys who are screaming for context with John Kerry don't scream for context here.
     
  14. vlaurelio

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    so this crazy marine actually attempted to physically harm allen?
     
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    No kidding. What "context" are you referring to halfbreed?
     
  16. halfbreed

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    What I'm saying is that if you're job is to protect someone and you feel someone poses a threat, you're going to do what you can to protect them. Sometimes you make mistakes. Is this one of those times? Maybe, maybe not.
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    He didn't try and harm Allen. he didn't try and harm anyone. I also haven't seen any evidence that the marine is crazy.

    I don't mind context here as well. The guy is a marine who writes a blog, and contributes to daily kos.

    Contrary to Allen's claims I have yet to see evidence that he works for Webb.
     
  18. vlaurelio

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    is there any evidence that the guy was a threat which can cause physical harm to allen?
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Have you seen the video? I have seen it and parts of it repeatedly. I don't see him as a threat at all.

    On the video the bald man who wrestles him to the ground yells at him because he is getting personal with his questions but never once says anything about there being a threat.
     
  20. halfbreed

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    I wasn't there so I don't know. Unlike everyone else I don't assume that I know everything that went on there. The people who were there obviously felt he was a threat and acted accordingly. We have the benefit of hindsight to tell us various aspects of the case but we don't know how we would have reacted in that situation.

    As I've said and nobody has reacted to, if this were Kerry/Clinton/Obama, and the guy happened to write for some prominent right wing blog, you'd be defending the actions of the staffers as would I.
     

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