don't put words in my mouth find a quote from me where I said santa did everything to avoid the fight the whole time he walked away the moment deejay started being hostile. but deejay wasn't satisfied and kept on coming at him. sanyta knew by then he needs to stand his ground. santa have eyes, ears, brain plus street smarts and dignity
You said multiple times that there was nothing Santa could have done to avoid the fight. You want quotes? I'll give you quotes: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5117415&postcount=445 I pointed out three instances where the fight could have been averted if Santa just let it go. In the post above, you insist that this would not have happened. That DeeJay was going to go after him, even if Santa just walked away. If (3) was a proven fact, then the punch was inevitable; i.e. Santa could not have possibly avoided the fight. Now, I'm sure you'll just circle back to some other point about Santa having to stand up for himself and be a grown man, even if the other guy is sitting down or walking away from him (and that's what the video shows, clear as day, so don't deny it). Fine, whatever. He willingly decided to "be a grown man" when at multiple instances he could have just let it go to prevent an attack. You think that is reasonable. I no longer care enough to dispute it.
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when Santa walked away what happened? Deejay got enboldened and became more hostile to him its easy to criticize santa because you're not in his shoes an what are you criticizing santa for? for his defensive response of "..'cause you ain't scaring this white boy." yeah that's s full of threats, violence, and provocation.. please.. will you let someone repeatly call your wife a b**** even after you already walked away? will you shut up or will you at least defend your wife's honor? are you at least going to say "no she's not"? are you a troublemaker/provoker if you say it? or if someone threatens to rape your wife, will you shut up or at least say "no you won't"? are you an inciter of violence for saying it?
You selected one quote from the transcript and that's supposed to demonstrate he did nothing to provoke the other person? You know what? You're right. Telling a guy who is walking away from you that you'll "slap the **** out of" him will not cause him to turn around and become more aggressive. I mean, how could that be perceived as a provocation? Silly me. I was wrong. I think we're done now.
This is like the 10th time you are saying this on this thread, yet you keep making yourself look dorkier and dorkier. You're a great poster, but LET IT GO. I found this at another site: Poll Who was at fault? Black Guy 39% Epic Beard Man 2% Mainly Black Guy 26% Mainly Epic Beard Man 5% Both equally 26% Maybe you can go over there and argue the votes there. I think this interview had not been posted yet...the guy is obviously crazy...enjoying this. <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NiMONR__5c8&hl=de_DE&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NiMONR__5c8&hl=de_DE&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>
The conversation was dropped, and vlaurelio picked it up again in response to an unrelated question -- whether it was established that DeeJay was a convicted murder. You know what would be helpful? Stop singling out a guy who's been calling for the conversation to end (and probably the guy you just happen to disagree with), and instead tell everyone to cut it out.
tell us what really happened? including that last one, Deejay has threatened Santa with "Ima put my left foot up yo ass!" FOUR TIMES DeeJay: "Now I'm puttin' my foot up yo ass!" DeeJay: "I'll put my foot up yo ass!" DeeJay: "Mutha f***ka I'll put my foot up yo ass!" Do you enjoy strangers threatening to put their body part up your ass in public that you'll just keep quiet and not even say a word?
I'm the one others are criticizing for this conversation continuing, not you. I'm not saying any more.
1) I don't even disagree with you that much if you are trying to say that both men are somewhat at fault (even though EBM did move away and the black gentleman threw the first punch). You keep stating the obvious - it is clear that EBM is crazy and that by talking back instead of not saying anything, he did not exactly de-escalate. I only really disagreed with your strange argument that it is "one act" between talking **** and actual violence (I don't have the exact wording of how you said it and am not going to search for it in the 29-page thread). That is nonsense, I can tell you that as a lawyer, but common sense would tell you the same. 2) I am telling you because you - as you yourself pointed out - have the most posts in this thread by a ridiculous margin, and they are almost all completely humor-free. It is boring and annoying and kills the fun around this meme. I would bet that I am not the only one who would much rather see more videos of EBM or perhaps a response from the "BRING AMBALAMPS" dude or some funny photoshops.
It is obvious, that is the crux of what I've been saying this whole time, and that opinion has been attacked over and over by several people. Maybe if a few others cared to speak up to the obvious, I wouldn't be left alone to defend it against the pile-on when I get attacked for saying it, and this whole thing would have ended a long time ago. "One act"? No. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5111098&postcount=266 I'm saying that EBM shares some blame for willingly participating in an argument which served to escalate the situation. I am not saying they are "one act". I am saying the fight is not independent of the argument. If that isn't what your common sense tells you, I don't know what to say. Now, post a joke and make the thread funny again. I am no more interested in this conversation continuing than you are.
Sigh - since you quoted your own post, let me address it: durvasa, it is amazing that you as someone who is certainly very much a rational poster appear to be unable to see how you are wrong here. Keep in mind that I am not a native speaker when I try to explain this, but here is my attempt to explain: In the statement above (and in your following posts) you confuse the concept of causality ("the situation escalated to physical confrontation because of the verbal assaults" - let me just assume that you are right about this) with the concept of inevitability. You make it sound like the first punch the black guy threw was inevitable because EBM kept talking back at him. I know you will deny this, but this is how your statement reads. The important distinction here is that - despite both men's obvious anger - it was still either man's free decision to throw the first punch. EBM did not make this decision. Tyrone (as he seemed to be called by some - or whatever his real name is) made this decision. This crossed a line. Resorting to physical violence always changes a previously verbal conflict and gives it a new quality. There is a separation between shouting insults at each other and then actually punching someone. These are separate things. Yes, the mutual smack-talking was causal for both men getting angrier and angrier, and that certainly means that both men contributed to an escalation of the situation. Yet, it was still either man's free decision to throw the first punch. Regardless of both men talking smack at each other, EBM tried to put a physical distance between him and the other guy. The other guy was the one who approached EBM physically repeatedly and also who made the conscious decision to throw the first punch. Get it? While the mutual insults contributed to an escalation of the situation that led to the actual fistfight - and both men contributed to this - the actual first act of violence came from the black guy, and that is why he is more to blame. Mutual insults ARE a separate thing from actually resorting to violence. That the insults were causal for an escalation of the situation does not excuse anything, as it was still a conscious decision to throw the first punch. Now, whether the self-defense was excessive or not is a separate question. I would lean toward saying that it was not excessive because EBM actually stopped punishing the other guy when it was clear that he was subdued.
So its ok for you to continue to try to find fault with other people's opinions, but it is not alright for me to defend my opinions in response. Is that how this goes?
No - what I was trying to say was that I did not want to address your previous post in detail because I was too lazy to look for it, but after you quoted it verbatim, I was going to address it.
Goodness durvasa, I am discovering new sides on you...again, you are one of my favorite posters - it is obviously not my decision who is allowed to respond. Please don't pity yourself like that. Respond as you wish. This thread has been pretty much killed anyway, unless some real news happen (I would love to see a statement from "Tyrone"! ).
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