[Video] Bus Fight

I couldn't understand much of what was said on the video so it sounds like she is referreeing to the black guy as "Pinky". Although it makes more sense the way you explain it.

 

while some would like that to be the point, I think for most it is more like:

dude who kept talkin' big and couldn't step off: 0

dude who tried to back off, got punched then went off: 1

 

Everything you have posted in this thread seems to backing the guy who threw the first punch. Am I missing something here?

 

I just found some footage of Epic Beard Guy from the early 1980's!

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If Santa had gotten up and pursued the punching bag to the back twice and then took the first swing, Santa would be repsonsible and the punching bag would be justified in defending himself.

It works in this scenario as well.

 

I don't follow.The situation escalated to physical confrontation because of the verbal assaults. It isn't a separate thing.

 

This.

 

The "standard" here, which is really a fundamental moral principle, is that you share responsibility in something when your willful actions will predictably lead to it.

In either of your scenarios, both should be held at fault.

 

durvasa,

I kept reading your replies and thinking, "Did I miss something?" So I watched the video again, carefully, without bias.

I'm not changing my mind. Black dude was a punk. Period.

And not only that, that weakass Melo punch to the old man's chest was just the punk testing the waters. In fact that was all he was doing throughout this video. Testing, pushing, flexing, seeing how much he could get away with this old man. He's a dirt bag of the lowest denominator.

I for one am glad he got nailed. Kudos for the old man.

-

 

It is a separate thing. Your inability to separate the incidents is astounding.

 

Dude, what are you watching? The black dude could have stayed in the back of the bust talking crap, just like the white guy was sitting at the front of the bus. The white dude had moved to that position from the back of the bus. They could have both stayed on their ends of the bus. The black dude went to the front of the bus twice AND threw the first punch.

You seem to not be connecting the pieces of the puzzle here. You dont find it odd that 99% of the board disagrees with you?

 

It is separate because you can't go making the assumption that the physical confrontation only happened because of the verbal assaults. Even if the white guy shut up, how do you know the videographer still wouldn't have egged him on and pushed him to go up and escalate it?

I'm not saying anything's definitive either way. But my point is that they have to be treated separately.

 

Yes they were jawing but you cannot ignore that one of them attempted to physically remove himself from the conflict whereas the other physically moved to prolong it and also threw the first punch. While both were using inflamatory language the physical actions of both clearly show who is responsible.

Words are powerful but actions do speak louder than words.

And I agree that this was an idiotic situation that could've and should've never escalated if both had done some different things but it is natural to try to sort things out and determine responsibility. Further it is natural to speculate on things like legal implications.

For me I have another reason to look at this as I am someone who teaches self-defense. From what I understand of the laws and situations like this I can fault the old guy for starting it by pressing the other guy about what was a misunderstanding but after that he did the right thing. Like it or not legally words are not justification for violence and you do have a right to respond to violence with violence. There is no dispute here about who used violence first.

 

So if Santa had not hit back, he would have still been at fault for engaging in the argument.

 

let's take the Judge Judy episode I saw once.

i.e. it didn't matter that she was at a party she wasn't invited to, and it didn't even matter in this case that the act wasn't very physical. it was in an attempt to move the person, and the person didn't appreciate it...and the law says she is at fault for being the one to put her hands on the other person first

 

black?????

srsly, dude. can't see how wrong the black dude was?

 

I think the best way to sum it up is:

Society: -1

 

HAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!

 

The black guy did win here. He got what he wanted, the stuff of the white guy that was left in the bus. Robbery at its best.