Vets See Protests as Attack on Policy, Not on Troops

Well, according to glynch, we are denying the Iraqi people the right to self-rule by these same people who disagree with their desire to have a democratic style of self-rule.

Al-Quaeda.... the Bad Hands People!

 

Well, it looks like we've found glynch's son. I'm surprised nobody put this together sooner.

 

Well what took the ******* so long to say it?

"I'm a uniter! Not a divider."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001019573

 

What a joke. Like I've said before the folks at the whitehouse have about as much credit as Saddam's information minister did. I am serious. I am not joking or exaggerating. It is shameful.

Don't believe me? Just listen to Dick "Last Throes" Cheney and this latest line of garbage.

 

the train is just right on time..

 

When did the Viet Nam War end? 1973 I think. When did the protests start? Early or middle-60's.... if not before. Even I was just a lad.

Honest question: do we really think that we pulled out in Viet Nam because Joan Baez and Pete Seeger were trilling and warbling (respectively) their way into our hearts and minds all those many years?

Is it "honest discourse" to yell at or demean your wife (or whomever) even if you are telling the entire and utter truth? In a way it is (if you indeed know the truth)... but I think you get my point. There is a <B>time and place</B> for every kind of <B>reasoned</b> disagreement or discourse. Not everyone (especially our enemies) needs to be puffed up by our disagreements.

 

In other words "if you don't agree just keep quite."

Yeah! You're a real american.

 

So can you the bigger man and just agree with us? Just like the majority of this country?

 

giddy, how can you justify a statement like this from a Presidential spokesperson? Do you? Man, I hope not. I would really like to read a post from someone I respect on the right, like you, slam a statement so outrageous by a Presidential spokesman. I don't care if you blame it on the "inexperienced Trent Duffy." Just slam it... it's a damned lie... you must know that, buddy.

Here it is...

NEW YORK Meeting briefly with reporters Monday aboard Air Force One, Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman subbing for Scott McClellan, said that President Bush believes that those who want the U.S. to begin to change course in Iraq do not want America to win the overall "war on terror."

Duffy spoke on a day when a surprisingly large antiwar protest met the president during his stay in Salt Lake City, Utah, where he addressed a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention.

Speaking to reporters, Duffy said that Bush "can understand that people don't share his view that we must win the war on terror, and we cannot retreat and cut and run from terrorists, but he just has a different view. He believes it would be a fundamental mistake right now for us to cut and run in the face of terrorism, because if we've learned anything, especially from the 9/11 Commission Report, it is that to continue to retreat after the Cole, after Beirut and Somalia is to only empower terrorists and to give them more recruiting tools as they try to identify ways to harm Americans.

"So he believes that people have a fundamental right to express their views. That's one of the reasons we're fighting this war on terrorism, to protect our fundamental rights. But at the same time, he disagrees strongly."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001019573



He's saying, through his spokesperson de jour, that he (Bush) "can understand that people don't share his view that we must win the war on terror, and we cannot retreat and cut and run from terrorists, but he just has a different view."



The only people I know who "don't share his view that we must win the war on terror," are the terrorists themselves, their allies, and certain countries that harbor ill will towards the United States. That was a statement beyond the pale, from someone who was either divorced completely from reality, or has absolutely no honor or scruples about making the most sickening lie in defense of their position. I hope McClellan, or this Duffy fellow, explains that this was a miss-spoken phrase, and doesn't reflect the belief of the President. Any other response is unconscionable.



Keep D&D Civil

 

Again, what do you think that time and place is? I noticed you ignored the question. You don't think the views of the American people had an impact in our decision to withdraw from Vietnam?

 

say his web company was hacked into by company A and in retalliation he goes and hacks into company B, even though they had nothing to do w/ company A attacking you. in that case, i would say that he did indeed suck and i would join you in your protest, or at the least not use their product.

 

Some people see it as more important to try to save American lives by getting out of a bad situation than to worry about puffing up any enemies. Had they been successful on day 1, nearly 2000 more Americans would be alive today. That's the price of silence.

 

Try reading again what I wrote.

-- A Real American

... or do you have to call the President of the U.S. "an *******" to be a Real American?

(You and I never used to fight like this... )

 

What about the Viet Nam experience. Did all the huffing and puffing there bring about the desired results.... 7 or more years later?

Is it possible, just possible, that all this "protesting" has inspired the anarchists in Iraq to expedite their efforts to kill more Americans just to arouse more "protest?"

Or do you think that that just slows them down... if so explain, please.

 

I don't blame people for being discouraged. I'm not sure what justifies all the recent criticism of the war effort in Iraq. Support seems to have gone downhill since that bunch of Ohio National Guardsmen were killed.

I saw a website that had broken down dead count of American servicemen and women.

The last 8 months have seen 54 per month die.

The previous 8 months saw 72 per month die.

The 14 months prior to that saw 51 per month die.

The first 6 weeks saw 93 per month die.

I'm tired of people dying. My nephew is headed to Iraq in September... but he wants to go. I would daresay that most there want to be there-- surely not all and some not once they got there.

Why should I agree just to go along? That's a weird proposition.

 

These analogies are very imperfect: what if his employees implored me to buy him out in a hostile takeover because he was severely mistreating them? So I buy the company and sell it back to the employees. I'm a hero!

 

I didn't even read the statement. Nothing that I wrote had anything to do with that statement.

Okay I've read it now. Where's the lie? The part you emboldened? How is having a differing opinion a lie?

I can see where one might get a little piqued for this: "...President Bush believes that those who want the U.S. to begin to change course in Iraq do not want America to win the overall "war on terror."

That is clumsy and kind of dumb.

 

Duffy said that Bush "can understand that people don't share his view that we must win the war on terror"


Clumsy and kind of dumb? It's a damned lie. It is saying that those who disagree with him about the war in Iraq want the US to lose the War on Terror. That's a damned lie.


Maybe if I repeat it enough it will sink in...

It's a damned lie.



Keep D&D Civil!!

 

yeah especially if its for a worthless cause..

but hey toughen up.. don't let the enemy see any weakness..