Vets See Protests as Attack on Policy, Not on Troops

You've obviously never spent much time around a Jewish mother, have you?

 

Of course, Bush has been a big part of the reason this has all gotten lumped together. Many Democrats repeated that view ("stay the course, but with different leadership") during the 2004 elections - Kerry included - and were painted to be unpatriotic by the right, which tried to merge the idea of not supporting Bush's leadership with being anti-American or cowards or supporting terrorists or whatnot.

 

Imagine John McCain sitting on the ground in the Hanoi Hilton listening to Jane Fonda being broadcast. Can't you just hear the Viet Cong giggling?

 

This is a key point. The conservatives are refighting the Vietnam war as they view it through their grossly distorted history. They have never realized that we lost in Vietnam because the country was not supporting a war that was very very hard to "win" and not necessary. It was not because of pr and the press.

I also dont' know where these hawks get the idea that it is the American way for the President or even Congress to be able to fight wars that the American people dont' whole heartedly support. The Founders had ideas about this.

Hayes has come out soft on death squads, torture and now I suppose he would, if push comes to shove, muzzle free speech in an attempt to hide from American even more the true costs and casualties so we can keep happily fighting for years and years. All for what? Abstract miitarism with senseless equating of Sadam with Hitler or Stalin.

Conservatives don't trust democracy and they don't trust the American people to fight for their way of life. They think we are weak and silly. This position sounds frightenly close to a call for a strong leader and fascism.

 

so soldiers are dying and we're losing this war because the insurgents are laughing?

 

Imagine another 10,000 Americans dying for a losing cause because a bunch of people thought it would be better to pretend everything was all good and not questioning leadership.

 

Sir Reducto, look at the question which was asked which I answered. It's about free speech and morale.

 

As more and more vets and vets' families come out in protest of this war, it's becoming harder and harder to argue that speaking out shows lack of support or demoralizes American troops.

 

Who said that everything was "all good?" War is and always has been HELL.

Bigtexx has hit it on the head and I think I've tried to say this numerous times before myself: there's a time and a place and a way to express dissatisfaction with any aspect of your American Life.

 

By the way, conservatives. The American people will volunteer in droves to fight for their country,if really necessary. You won't have to bribe them with $40,000 reenlistment bonuses or college educations, or job training or whatever.

Chickenhawks would be far and few between as in WW II.

 

If I got a bunch of people together and constantly and publicly sent a message that your web business sucked a big one... would that help or hurt your morale?

If your traffic slowed down and your subscriptions dried up, would your employees lose heart (and all the other problems associated with low morale)?

 

why don't the admistration try to be honest with its assesments.. maybe it will improve morale..

i knew you were going to start name calling.. that train is always on time for your kind..

 

well if the business really sucks why not..

are you talking about black propaganda? or the truth?

so what do you think hurt the employees of enron?

the news around it or the behavior of its own management?

 

Yep, doesn't matter if the employees (soldiers) or the customers (citizens)think it sucks. You mustn't say what you think.

Hayes is calling for those who don't support the war to be voluntarily quiet. At least at this point voluntarily. These guys by mistakenly thinking that all is pr and that having a stupid war against a determined enemy fighting for ther way of life on their own soil is not important to morale, which can always be spun, are living in a dream world.

Mistaking pr for reality and death and dying on the battlefield is one of the reaons why chickenhawks feel that yellow ribbons and internet posting suffice for supporting war which they state is critical to the survival of the United States or I guess necessary to protect Western Civilization from the Muslim hordes.

 

okay everyone be positve because the enemy maybe reading these..

 

When do you think that time is? An election? After that, you believe people should shut up the rest of the way? You don't believe in honest discourse about issues that affect all of us?

If the government is doing something you believe is wrong, you believe people should just sit there and accept it until the next election?

 

I think employees would be far more demoralized if I acted like everything was great about my business while the reality of situation was very different. As an employee, I'd much rather be exposed to multiple viewpoints and trust my ability to make a judgement about the situation myself than only get to hear management's perspective, knowing that management has a motivation to make everything look like its running great.

 

Tell me again what percentage of the terrorists/insurgents are NOT Iraq and just exactly why are they gleefully killing as many Iraqis as they can with each attempt to kill an American GI?

Talk about living in a Dream World...

 

Well we always have enemies; so I guess we should always keep our mouths shut and be positive.

 

The fact that a large minority of the terrorists are non-Iraqis and the terrorists are also killing civilian IRaqis at the rate of one of the London bombings every couple of days is not supporting evidence for or against speaking out against the administration's unjust war, and poor planning and execution of the war.