Maybe your right, but I would bet that, unless Hakeem gives the indication he plans to play elsewhere next year (meaning the one-team career and loyalty can both be thrown out the window), he won't be traded. Hell, if Hakeem weren't interested in finishing his career as a Rocket, I'd jump on a deal for Shareef. And it is possible, not likely, but possible, that some sort of 3-way could be worked out without Hakeem. CD always seems to get what he wants ------------------
Didnt Hakeem say he wouldnt mind playing in Vancouver, and that it is one of his favorite cities.......ah never mind!! ------------------ "And i'm spent!"
Didnt Hakeem say he wouldnt mind playing in Vancouver, and that it is one of his favorite cities.......ah never mind!! ------------------ "And i'm spent!"
NIKE, I should have discussed the 3 million later in my post... I merely meant it to offset Walt's contract. ------------------ You don't normally see a shot-blocker out there shooting 3s like that. - Matt Bullard
Does the Realgm site use the Drew trade exception when it is calculating the salary issues for potential Rocket trades? Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated!
Mango, I was looking at that the other day, and I couldn't trade langhi or KT for MD. ------------------ As the wise Ewok philosopher, Logray, once said, "yub yub"
Here's my first trade attempt on RealGM. Chicago gets: Kelvin Cato Brent Price Vancouver gets: Walt Williams Matt Bullard Brad Miller Bryce Drew Houston gets: Shareef Abdur-Rahim OK, probably not realistic...one can dream! ------------------ President of the Moochie Norris Fan Club - est. 99-00
Ideally, we'd get Swift or Harrington in the deal, but even if it's not possible, I'd take my chances on Shareef hoping you can keep 1 pick around for a PF (Boozer is rumored to be leaving), keep Mo Taylor, or sign another free agent, while still having KT around at the position. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
Vancouver could become the Blazers of the Ea... never mind they could just be another blazers in the west. Big Country Harrington Swift Dickerson Bibby With the picks- Woods, forte, griffin or another good small forward. Thats at least 7 high quality players right there. ------------------ President of the Charles Barkley fan club...Oh he retired? When?
To get reef i would do many things but some i wouldnt(Trade Steve, Take Reeves, Trade Shandon, Trade Dream, Trade Cuttino) ------------------ President of the Charles Barkley fan club...Oh he retired? When?
RealGM? Hah! No real GM would take the trades I've seen in this thread. They should call it StupidGM.com. Vancouver isn't going to take our scrubs for Reef. We'd have to give up either Francis (like they want him back) or a combination involving significant cap reduction and talent. Even then, I have a hard time seeing the Grizz wanting our players. They'd need a strong inside presence, and someone who can play defense. Guess what: so do we. ------------------ "Thirty-seven?" -Randall, Clerks www.clutchtown.com
I'd suggest Dream, Williams, Taylor, and Rogers and draft picks for Big Country, Abdur-Rahim, and Harrington. The draw for Vancouver would be that they would get rid of Reeves and Harrington in one fell swoop; they could renounce Dream and clear $16 million off the books; they would have $13 million under the cap with which to resign Mo Taylor and pursue whomever or whatever else; and they would get whatever picks they agree to with the Rockets who have a number coming to them. They don't improve their team in the trade, but they improve the salary architecture a great deal. The Rockets would get Abdur-Rahim and would only have to sacrifice sane money-management practice to do it. Harrington would cover PF adequately. Reeves would keep us from ever getting under the cap again. But I'd consider it worth it to have Francis and Rahim on the same team. Here's a trade that works, using Chicago as a filler: houston trades: Carlos Rogers $2,200,000 to chicago houston trades: Maurice Taylor $2,250,000 to vancouver houston trades: Walt Williams $4,250,000 to vancouver houston trades: Hakeem Olajuwon $16,700,000 to vancouver TOTAL: $25,400,000 vancouver trades: Othella Harrington $2,250,000 to houston vancouver trades: Brent Price $2,880,000 to chicago vancouver trades: Bryant Reeves $10,110,000 to houston vancouver trades: Shareef Abdur-Rahim $10,125,000 to houston (BYC Value $7,593,750) TOTAL: $25,365,000 chicago trades: Corey Benjamin $744,480 to houston TOTAL: $744,480 TRADE ACCEPTED ------------------ RealGM Rockets Draft Obligations Summary http://www.gaffordstudios.cjb.net/
Hey Nike or Oeilpere, This trade works according to RealGM. Can you see any reasons that it may or may not happen & would it be beneficial to all teams, especially the Rockets, or is it just unrealistic dream casting? Houston sends Dream/LOS to Vancouver Houston sends Walt/Cato to Chicago Vancouver sends TMass/Bibby to Chicago Vancouver sends Othella/Reeves/Shareef to Houston Chicago sends Fizer/Artest/Crawford/Miller to Vancouver Houston would receive a trade exception of $3,431,667. This is a slight modification of a trade that I'd proposed earlier in this thread. Houston drops almost 6 million in salary. Vancouver drops almost 15.5 million after Dream's contract expires. Chicago takes on 4.7 million in salary, but gets a starting center, that when healthy, would be a major improvement defensively, a starting PG, Walt (who can score a lot when he hits a hot streak), & depth in the front court with TMass. Houston gets a future super star in Shareef. The PF spot would be deep & offer insurance in case we lose MO. I've heard some people say that Reeves might be an adequate center for our system, since all we really need from the center is someone to block shots & rebound. I'm not sure about that though. Could you see us trading him later & if so to whom? We'd be set at both guard positions & the power forward position. If Langhi develops, then we would be set at the SF position. That just leaves the center position as the only question. Vancouver greatly reduces their team salary & gets some low paid, promising young players. Chicago & Houston have some picks that could be thrown in if need be. Although, because Houston is helping Vancouver out with so much salary relief, it's my opinion that they shouldn't have to give up more than one or two future picks & none for this year. What's your opinion on this idea? Could it work or how could it be improved? I'm discovering that dealing with BYC players is a real pain in the neck. ------------------
toddie- That's an interesting proposition. But I see some problems for everyone. Why Vancouver probably wouldn't do it Giving up Bibby, Reef, and Othella is a LOT to ask in just 1 deal. Sure Miller would upgrade over Reeves, and Crawford might be pretty good, and Fizer/Swift would make for an interesting forward tandem, not to mention the salary, but I just don't know I'd give up my two most versatile and talented (and young) players. But, Versace did say they might just "bomb" it, and a team led by Crawford-Dickerson-Fizer-Swift-Miller with Artest off the bench (and picks from Houston I assume?) wouldn't be bad. Why Chicago probably wouldn't do it Bibby would give them a nice starting backcourt with Mercer, as a REAL PG-one of the fundamentals to having a good team. Cato and Tarlac would keep center shore for awhile, while Walt could make a niche feeding off Brand's low post game. but they are the team that probably wouldn't do it. Their team is pretty much garbage, and their bench sucks. This basically empties their bench of any high potential players (Crawford/Fizer/Artest) and doesn't really make their future look brighter. Probably the least likely to fall. Why Houston Wouldn't do it Off the top of my head, this would leave us with only 3 players who have been to the playoffs-Bullard, Mobley, and Shandon. 1-4, we'd have probably the most talented team in the league. But, the center slot would be worrisome. What if Reeves is the same? Collier is a decent backup, but what if he's not healthy? Even if he is, he's not a "starter". You have to hope you can either snag a center (Woods, Ming, Haywood) in the draft, trade with the Clippers for Kandi, or that slot is in trouble. BTW-Reeves can't block shots. He's not exactly a stellar rebounder either. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
That's interesting toddie. I've somewhat soured on this whole proposition in the past few days, primarily b/c Reeves contract soars to $14 MILLION DOLLARS in a few years. Talk about being a waste of space, sheez. Even the spazz didn't cause themselves as much pain w/ Ostertag. Rahim is a good rebounder... no doubt. He also is a good scorer. However, you have to recognize that any deal that binds Reeves to Rahim suggests that Rahim is worth $20-26 Million dollars per year. That's of course ludicrous. I seriously doubt that the Grizzlies will be able to unload Reeves in this manner. If their priority is truly fiscal prudence (thus unloading Reeves), then they should attach Swift also (he hasn't proved jack yet anyway). Otherwise, Van. should get happy w/ Reeves walrus contract. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver.
hmmm does chicago necessarily have to be in a deal? if i remember correctly the pistons seem to be under the cap? are they? ------------------ --TEX
Achebe, Vancouver probably wants to be done with this issue by the trade deadline in Feb, but.........If Reeves & SAR are still on the team this summer and the Griz have a top 3 lottery pick, would Reeves + SAR + a top 3 pick get another team interested in swallowing all of that salary? Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated!
Mango, I guess it depends on what's available at 3. Any opportunity that would put the Rockets in a position to land Ming is justifiable (short of trading Francis perhaps). Unfortunately, I doubt even Reeves @ $14,000,000.00 per year would scare any team into such a move (unless the specific team couldn't wait out the contractual period). But reading your post does force the issue... Would any GM (that doesn't have Allen as his boss) walk up to the following cast: Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Stromile Swift. Bryant Reeves. and lay down $30 million dollars? Hell no. Not this year... with these new rules and the escrow tax around the corner. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver.
Nike, I see your concerns, but as for Vancouver, the trade would answer what has been reported to be one of their goals & that is to decrease the payroll, get rid of Reeves contract, dump Othella, & as you noted, the latest rumour of trading Bibby, & they could pick up some draft picks in the process. As far as Chicago, wouldn't getting these players at least make them competitive & with the draft picks they have, allow them to retool the center position? They would still have a young starting nucleus with the exception of Walt. The bench still has Drew, Benjamin, El-Amin, Bagaric, & Guyton. As far as Fizer, yes he has upside, but he's not going to get the necessary playing time to develop his game behind Brand & he's not a true SF. Wouldn't Fizer/Artest/Crawford be worth Bibby, whose already proving that he's going to be a star in the NBA? If Krause will pay someone like Mercer & try to claim they got a great player, don't you think that he would jump all over a chance to get Bibby? If Chicago balks, we could throw in the #1 pick or two #2's that they owe us for Drew, which would answer another need for their team, & that is, they would be able to trade away picks without having to pay us first. As far as Houston, I only included Reeves, because we would have to take him. If we can keep our pick & as it appears we might get Milwaukee's pick this year, surely we could make a trade to move up in the draft or let Rudy & CD pull another rabbit out of the hat again this year. Also, somewhere out there, Washington is just waiting for his call up to the Rockets. What I've tried to do with this proposal is to appeal to each team's wants & needs. Unfortunately, any time you move this many players in a deal to get what you want, there are going to be trade offs. Over all though, I think that this deal would make all three teams better. As you can tell, I love dream casting. For those that might think I'm just trying to trade Dream, well, I'm not. I'm just dreaming of having the best team in the NBA. Besides, Rudy & CD haven't made a blockbuster deal yet this year. After all it's becoming a tradition isn't it? ------------------ [This message has been edited by Hottoddie (edited January 04, 2001).]
I think you've done well for Vancouver. They might blow up the team, especially considering the team could easily be in St. Louis three years from now. Also, Bibby and Dickerson will soon command giant salaries. Why not start over? Chicago? They benefit as well. Fizer and Crawford were draft day mistakes. The Bulls know it but of course can't say so. However, these players might be good, given time to grow and play (i.e., Fizer's a 4, not a 3). Us? Tough one. Taking on Reeves' contract makes me ill. The more I think about it, maybe it's best to go after Marc Jackson (free agency) and Terrence Morris or some other strong rebounding 3 in the draft. Or we can get out Aladdin's lamp and get Chris Webber, ay, Lil Francis? ------------------
