Thanos-Hakeem would be able to leave if he wanted in the offseason. You never know what the latest in Hakeem's world. He also said this would be his last season, but that's changed. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
Reeves does not necessarily have to be included! This deal is not to clear caproom, it's to clear payroll. Noone will take Reeves, but someone will definitely take Reef and his salary. If someone will take Big Country too, that's a plus, but don't count on that package. If it really is just to clear caproom and gain draft picks, a three-way with the Lakers could really work. We send KT, Walt, and Los to the Lakers and 2 or 3 first rounders to Vancouver. LA sends Horace Grant and one or two draft picks to Vancouver, who send Shareef to Houston. That gives Vancouver the high-priced Horace Grant who has an expiring contract and anywhere from 3 to 5 first round picks. We also don't lose a huge portion of our caproom and keep one or two draft picks, so we use the remaining caproom to add one or two pieces at long-term deals to replenish the depth we lose from this trade. ------------------
Had to make a few changes, but I think it works: houston trades: Kenny Thomas $885,120 to lakers houston trades: Matt Bullard $2,100,000 to lakers houston trades: Carlos Rogers $2,200,000 to lakers houston trades: Walt Williams $4,250,000 to lakers TOTAL: $9,435,120 vancouver trades: Shareef Abdur-Rahim $10,125,000 to houston TOTAL: $10,125,000 lakers trades: Derek Fisher $3,375,000 to vancouver (BYC Value $2,531,250) lakers trades: Horace Grant $5,950,000 to vancouver TOTAL: $9,325,000 TRADE ACCEPTED Due to houston, vancouver, and lakers being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. houston, vancouver, and lakers had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. ------------------
That is a dream trade. The Rockets lose very little, and gain a whole lot. ------------------ "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."
"This deal is not to clear caproom, it's to clear payroll." So I guess these two things became totally different concepts all of a sudden? I suppose that paying 3 players a combined 10 mil is better than paying one guy 10 mil? 4 is greater than 2 plus 2 right? From the Rockets side, only Matt Bullard is expiring this offseason and according to some Carlos Rogers (which was probably an incorrect fact by the Detroit papers) so that doesnt make sense for the Grizz. Also, the Lakers are not going to deal Horace Grant for KT, Los etc so the 3 way is pure fantasy. The only way the Rockets get this done is with Hakeem b/c the Grizz can chop off a huge chunk of payroll at season's end. Its not some kind of coincidence that Mutombo is being discussed from Atlanta's side who is also a free agent this summer and would free up 10 mil or so in payroll for the Grizz. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Hahahahaaha. Maybe if you actually found out if you were right before you said something you would've realized that Horace Grant's contract expires at the end of this year. Bull, Los, Walt, and KT are going to the Lakers, it's the Grizz who want to cut payroll. What a joke And also, do you know the difference between payroll and caproom? And did you even read what I was talking about when I said that? They aren't getting rid of Shareef to sign other players, they are getting rid of him so that they don't have to pay him. I wasn't talking about it at all in the trade I mentioned, you apparently didn't even read it. I was saying that to show how Reeves wouldn't necessarily be involved. The most important part of this trade from the Grizz's standpoint would be business, not basketball ------------------
now now play nice. One good question though NewGuy, would be why the LAL would trade for the Rockets clutter rather than directly trading for Rahim. Their clutter is better than the Rockets clutter anyway. M&M: It will be interesting to see if the Dike thing goes anywhere... if the Grizz are trying to make financial decisions, sure... IMO, it seems that the Dike thing gets too busy w/ weird trades that deadend on an overpriced Rice or a transient Houston that noone can buy or will buy w/ picks + an expiring contract considering his popt. If Van wants good picks and an expiring contract... ATL or HOU can make it happen (in single dimensional trades anyway). This will be fun to watch... if anything really does happen. ------------------ You don't normally see a shot-blocker out there shooting 3s like that. - Matt Bullard
I thought about that (why LA wouldn't just deal for Shareef) and here's why: They'd have to give up much more draft picks and they could see KT as a very slight downgrade from Grant but 10 years younger. I could see Shaq and KT as a strong frontcourt for many years. Also, Phil Jackson hates Fisher, and Walt Williams could be a Glen Rice replacement, while Los and Bull add depth to their froncourt. ------------------
But if you were Vancouver would you do that trade? IMO, NewGuy, use your opponent's desire against them... vancouver trades: Shareef Abdur-Rahim $10,125,000 to houston (BYC Value $7,593,750) vancouver trades: Stromile Swift $3,164,280 to houston vancouver trades: Bryant Reeves $10,110,000 to houston TOTAL: $23,399,280 houston trades: Walt Williams $4,250,000 to vancouver houston trades: Hakeem Olajuwon $16,700,000 to vancouver TOTAL: $20,950,000 TRADE ACCEPTED Due to vancouver and houston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. vancouver and houston had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. to dream the impossible dream: who cares if you alienate MO? ------------------ You don't normally see a shot-blocker out there shooting 3s like that. - Matt Bullard
NewGuy, your missing the point of my post, why would the Lakers trade Grant and replace him with KT???????? They are trying to win a ring this yr, and Grant puts them in a better position than KT. Plus, they would have no problem giving up a few of their draft picks if they needed to make a play at SAR. Rahim is not just a minor but a MAJOR upgrade over Fox, Grant, etc. Your falling into the classic dreamcasting trap which is completely ignoring everyone else's needs except the Rockets and manipulating your own mind to believe that the trades are great for everyone else when they really arent. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net [This message has been edited by MManal (edited January 01, 2001).]
Achebe, I think an offer like that would be pretty close to what it would take to make the Rockets a player in this sweepstakes. However, I dont think the Grizz would give up Swift in the deal as the front office is very high on his potential. I tried the same deal out with Doug West instead of Swift and it works. The Rockets would probably have to throw in some draft picks as well. This deal should be considered if: The Rockets can keep atleast one their picks in 2001 (Milwaukee's or their own) and they feel pretty sure that Shandon Anderson will play for 1 yr at the 4 mil exception before asking for a huge long term deal. Mo would likely walk but thats not the end of the world as Rahim is an upgrade over him. This deal should be rejected if: The Rockets have to completely clear out their draft stash, and the end result would be Shandon bolting along with Mo. The Rockets dont want to get into a situation where they have little depth and no cap manueverability. If the Rockets are willing to take on Reeves contract, I think that would atleast puts them in the race even though an offer of something like Mutombo and an unprotected #1 (a potential top 5 pick in 2001) would be tough to turn down. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Where's Oily when you need him?? ------------------ Francis out top, 9 seconds on the clock, he gives a no look pass to Cuttino Mobley, 4 seconds left, Mobley passes to an open Langhi in the corner with 1 second left! Langhi at the buzzer.......YES!!! How Sweet It Is!! [This message has been edited by Rockets R' Us (edited January 01, 2001).]
So if the Grizz owner wants to do away with his money players, who is he willing to keep? I'm guessing that he's looking to build around Swift (and future draft picks), if anything. Bibby is someone that they don't have too much trust with, even though he's a decent point guard. He's been benched in the fourth plenty of times, and doesn't seem to be the type of player that one can build a franchise around. However, he'll probably be able to get some big money in the open market. Shareef is a great player, no doubt. However, the key is that not only the coaching staff is convinced that he is not the player that can bring the wins, but the fans as well. The owner wants to earn money. How can he do it? By giving the fans what they want. Get rid of Shareef and to a greater extent Reeves. Apparently, they're ready to start all over. Naturally, the owner needs to get rid of the contracts now but this doesn't mean that he won't give up the cash if he gets good players through the draft in the upcoming years. I would not be surprised if the Grizzlies got rid of both Mike Bibby and SAR. I also don't expect the Grizzlies to keep Dickerson, unless he is unable to find a good deal in the open market. They simply need a fresh start. The current mix is not working and the fans are fed up. An influx of new blood is what this team needs and it might be the only thing that can save the owner and his wallet. About Swift... I don't think that the Grizzlies would do away with him. I think they're probably thinking that he might prove to be the better part of a duo they hope will develop in the future (with a draft pick). I think MMamal is correct when saying that a package with someone like Doug West would be more realistic. The Grizzlies are using Shareef as their drawing card in order to rid themselves of his contract as much as that of their overpaid center. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Rocketman95 on board. Check out his latest game recaps.
MManal, I think you're on target because giving away Swift doesn't seem likely. (Sure would be nice, though.) If Mo dislikes the situation, would we find him a new home? Or just let him stick around pissed off all year knowing he won't stay? ------------------
I can easily see the Lakers wanting to replace Grant with KT. KT has more offensive game and is an equal banger, the only difference is size. But KT is ten years younger. And that deal would be if the true reason for trading Reef was to not have to pay him and get draft picks, because they'd get Grant, who would definitely leave at the end of the year along with his contract, and up to 5 picks. Obviously it is sort of dreamcasting, but sometimes you have to to make a deal ------------------
Here's two trade scenarios that work according to RealGM. Trade #1 Houston sends LOS/Cato/Dream to Vancouver Vancouver sends TMass/Othella/Reeves/Shareef to Houston We get our SF, a replacement center, & some depth at PF & center. Vancouver gets rid of over 16 million in salary after this year, an athletic center with unrealized potential, & an athletic PF when he's not injured. We shouldn't have to give them any picks, because we are taking so much salary off their hands & two players that they haven't been able to give away. Trade #2 Houston sends Dream to Vancouver, Walt/Cato to Chicago. Vancouver sends Damon Jones/Dickerson/TMass to Chicago, Reeves/Othella/Shareef to Houston. Chicago sends Artest/Crawford/Fizer/Miller to Vancouver. Houston gets a trade exception of $1,231,667. That would give the three teams a starting lineup of: Houston C: Reeves/Collier PF: MO/Othella/KT SF: Shareef/Langhi/Bull SG: Anderson/Cat PG: Francis/Moochie Vancouver C: Dream/Miller PF: Fizer/? SF: Artest/? SG: Crawford/? PG: Bibby/? Chicago C: Cato/TMass PF: Brand/? SF: Walt/Benjamin SG: Dickerson/Mercer PG: Mercer/Drew I don't know all the players on Vancouver or Chicago, so some of the players might be out of position. So forgive me if I screwed up on some of them. We would have a pretty good team with the center position being the most glaring weakness. I believe that we'll be able to get Shandon to wait one more year for his bird rights & like Nike said, we might be able to resign MO for the exception. That would make 4 out of 5 positions the envy of the NBA. Vancouver would have a nice young nucleus of players at all positions & a lot of cap space. Chicago would get the center that they really need, an upgrade at the SF position & the SG position. Throw in the necessary picks & maybe we have a deal. What do you guys think? ------------------ [This message has been edited by Hottoddie (edited January 01, 2001).]
Guys, let me first start off saying that I would bet everything I own that there is no chance in hell that Abdur-Rahim ends up in Houston. That is my honest opinion on this subject. But for you believers, it would be possible to re-sign Mo even with the acquisition of Shareef. I guess the question goes like this: Who is more valuable to this team, Mo or Cato? Cato could easily be dealt to the Clippers or Bulls for a draft pick(s) and that would free up the money to sign Mo. We would be giving away draft picks to Vancouver in any deal, and we could gain draft picks in a deal involving Cato. Since Cato is a base-year-compensation player he can only be dealt to a team under the cap or to another team through a three-way trade involving the Bulls or Clippers (Only 2 teams under the CAP). Hakeem will not be dealt so forget it anyway. ------------------
Well I don't know how to quote someone, but read the last sentence of the last post. Hakeem will not be traded, it's that simple ------------------
If Hakeem wont be traded, then Shareef wont be in Houston its that simple. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
