Get those bloody facts outta here. Rafer is a piece of trash! It is the official CF.net mantra so it must be true!
Exactly. THats my point. I said earlier "yao and t-mac are at their best when Alston and Battier are on the floor with them. Your stats prove my point. As far as me saying that Alston and Battier are mere beneficiares, compare Alston, Battier, T-Mac, Yao, Hayes to Alston, Battier, Head, Deke, Hayes (I don't know where to find the #s, but I would be positive that the first fivesome would be much more productive). In a way, I mis-spoke: I shouldn't have said they are only beneficiares, because thats not what I really meant.
Can you break it down further into "Alston with Yao" and "Alston w/o Yao"? Alston has played so many minutes this year it's hard to see him as anything more than a free-rider on the Rockets overall success and the fact that there's not really a clear back-up PG.
okay... I have to get this quote out and its all your fault. "No school this small has ever been in the state championship"
This is a good point. Im a Rafer fan, but he pretty much has the highest MPG average on the team right? If so, his +/- are always going to be somewhat skewed (i.e. any player with starter minutes next to Yao and T-Mac will always have similar +/-)
Similiar numbers yes, but they have better plus minus than Yao and Tmac. All three of them. Alston and Battier also have more mpg than both of the stars (don't they?) so wouldn't that naturally make it more difficult to have a higher +/-?
You take our two super stars out of the equation, and we will see about their stats then. You place other role players in the system, and their names will be up there too or maybe better. Your logic is flawed.
The best would be to see his adjusted +/- or WINVAL rankings which try to control for this, but I don't know where to get them. Looking at the 82 games "player pairs" rankings it looks like all the starters get a tremendous bump from playing with each other: http://www.82games.com/0607/0607HOUP.HTM
The whole problem with stats is, that although they are objective in their existence, the interpretation of those stats is most certainly subjective. T-Mac and Yao might benefit more from Rafer being on the floor than say, V-Span, but Rafer benefits much more from Yao and T-Mac.
I see the 82games Player Pair page is finally up. As it shows, per 48 minutes, Alston has a +3 with Yao alongside him, and a +0.9 without Yao next to him.
or 4. T-Mac and Yao (cornerstones) are at their best when fresh at the beginning of the 1st Q and 3rd Q, when they are getting the bulk of their minutes with the other starters (Alston, Hayes, Battier).
