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[Vecsey & ESPN REPORT] JVG Retiring

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Outlier, May 6, 2007.

  1. DonkeyMagic

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    you're ignoring one important thing. These guys arent creative on offense. Chuck is a zero on the offensive end. rafer and shane are not offensive players, per se. thats 3 of the starters that are not really 'good' on offense.




    you said it yourself. "are supposed" to be. I think we all have to re-evaluate what we 'thought' about this team and its players.

    spree/houston/ewing are/were just as close to "superstars" as anyone on this team until they prove otherwise/

    and he made the most of the opportunity given the situation, i.e. yao missing games, tmac on the verge of always being hurt, snyder broken hand, fat bonzi not dedicated to playing, chuck hayes starting on a 50+ win team, luther head being your best bench player., etc etc.

    are you going to tell me he didnt make the most out of his opportunity? really?

    rockets had a chance to win against the jazz and they didnt. I hate to say it, but that game was lost ON THE COURT and between the lines. someday i think we will all see that.
     
  2. Pocket Rockets

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    Bonzi was never given the chance. 2 weeks before the playoffs? are you serious? Who the hell can get ready for the playoffs 2 weeks before after not being given a chance all season.
    of course snyder was up and down in the playoffs. What did you expect? He never got in rhythm during the season. why?


    i wonder why he wasn't aggressive enough? could it be because he had to expand so much energy trying to guard boozer?
     
  3. DonkeyMagic

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    why is it so hard to realize that just b/c a coach 'teaches it' doesnt mean its done on the court. its not a hard concept.


    just b/c everyone picked the rockets doesnt mean its what was right.

    rockets had their chance to win. had the home court. had the lead in the final few minutes. like i said before. thats crunch time. when players make a name for themselves, and they folded.
     
  4. DonkeyMagic

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    sorry, but anyone defending bonzi losses credibitliy. he is a known malcontent and has had problems everywhere he went. He was given a chacne all season but he pissed them away. born loser and a waste of talent.

    snyder was actually given a chance, oddly enough he and bonzi battled over minutes. well i expect him to know that he isnt put in the game to jack up 35 ft 3 pters with someone in his face....i think thats obvious.

    poor little baby tired? apparently he wasnt spending too much time guarding boozer.
     
  5. BEXCELANT

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    Ya but Chuck Hayes was our go to guy! Man he was awesome!!!
     
  6. Pocket Rockets

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    We don't have to re-evaluate anything. Yao and tmac are superstars.

    since when do spree and houston classify as superstars? how many all start games did they make? All nba teams?

    he made the most out of avg players. He didn't make the most out of tmac and yao.
    He had the opportunity to use bonzi and snyder. Decided not to. His fault.
     
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    its not saying much losing credibility to you. especially with the way you criticize players. Perhaps a smidgeon of professionalism might just go a long way.

    Bonzi has been able to produce with every team he has played for. Except houston.

    Snyder was given a chance? he started the season, then broke his hand and lost his spot when he came back. Then coach really never gave him a chance.
    Seems to me if your name isnt yao and tracy, your job should be to jack up 3 pointers. ask vspan, rafer, head, and snyder. Snyder is a case of a good player in a wrong system.
     
  8. DonkeyMagic

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    i think we need a better definition for superstar. Are they good players? of course. Are the extremely popular. sure. if that means superstar then so be it.

    personally i like my superstars to step up in big games and series. to not be denied a victory. you know, that kind of stuff








    i dont think those players made the most out of themselves. Its not exactly their first rodeo either. at some point a player has to be responsibly for his own play...doesnt he?

    his fault bonzi quit. i forgot.
    snyder...if thats the best hope you have to prove jvg as a poor coach then thats just not a very good one. I guess byron scott and jerry sloan are bad coaches too...b/c both those guys didnt want anything to do with snyder
     
  9. DonkeyMagic

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    why not criticize? are they not allowed to be called out or is that special privilege just for the coach?

    i love this team. i love its players. they have class acts and guys that are easy to cheer for. that being said im trying to remove the homerish tendancies.

    as a basketball player lets call a spade a spade.

    battier - no offense other than spot up corner 3. very good defender
    chuck - outmatched everywhere on the court but heart, unfortunately thats not always enough.
    skip - solid ball handler, but doesnt to break down defenses or finish well. his shooting (outside of spot up 3s) is horrible.
    howard - over the hill but still give whats left.
    deke - see above.
    luther- a spot on shooter not very good at anything else.
    snyder - an athlete.
    novak - a spot on shooter not very good at anything else.
    billy - rookie euro pg.


    perhaps he needs some of that professionalism you mentioned above

    he is a proven punk who has NEVER lived up to his ability for a reason.
     
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    do we really need to define a superstar at this point? :rolleyes:





    you must have a bad memory if you think my only excuse of jvg as a poor coach is snyder.
     
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    how does this refute my statement of bonzi producing on every team before houston?
     
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    I wanted Silas when Rudy stepped down. I also think giving a guy like Cleamons a 2nd chance would be gret running the triangle.
     
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    I thought 2 yrs ago they should have gotten Shareef for the new and improved Howard and that 3rd scorer in the 1/2 court. I thought they should have drafted simien instead of Head who at best is a spot up shooter and the rox lack size and atheleticism at the 4. This summer, i thought James would have been great and also getting a walter mccarty type guy would have been good also.
     
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    just saw on NBATV that someone said someone close to les alexander had asked John Lucas Sr. if he was interested in coaching the team.

    has anyone heard this rumor and idea before?
     
  15. TheFreak

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    They are both top 10 players. No other team has that.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    No doubt about it......JVG would be good at coaching a bunch of scrubs, he would get more out of them than anyone...but Superstars......not so much.

    He has to go for the Rockets to reach their peak.

    DD
     
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    actually, the Jazz had their way with the Suns the entire season and held their own against the Spurs after a near decade of futility against them. they had difficulty against the Mavs though.
     
  18. Rivaldo2181

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    I heard vecsey talking about it 2night on NBA TV...I really hope he is not the one. I hope JVG returns but if not, Rick Adelman would be my choice b/c he utilize Yao's passing skills which we have not seen an ounce of since his rookie season under Rudy.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    John Lucas would be an interesting choice, I wonder who would fill out his coaching staff?

    I would roll the dice with JL.......his son would probably play a lot more too.

    :D

    DD
     
  20. txppratt

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    i kinda like the idea of that...

    though i am a JVG supporter!
     

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