I've seen a lot here question whether Van Gundy should have publically told everyone that Francis chose the superbowl over his team and air his dirty laudry in front of everybody. Which is a little understandable. But I believe you may be the first I've seen to actually question whether Steve should have even been suspended.
Apparently not much was said. It was not a press conference called by JVG. It was most likely the normal talk between coaches, players and the media. The same thing that happens before every game.
So this BBS with 15,475 members means that much as to the total of Houston Sports fans? How about the national media claimung that SF is more valuable in this league than JVG? BTW the poll is at less than 50% now. A man, of any age, young or old, with any sense, can reason that it was overbearing and not needed to suspend SF for one missed flight... especially in light of the fact that SF is not given to this type of thing. And unless you're my father or grandfather, or very much older than myself the age makes no difference. I manage and have managed several employees, offices, and been in charge of several different personality types at once. The fair way to deal with insubordination (if you call SF's missed flight that) is to give benefit of doubt, and let the person prove you wrong that it was a one time thing. Once is once. Twice is a problem. Thrice is a pattern and the hammer should fall accordingly, and respectively harder and faster upon each worsening offense. It's called reason. If it were you, and you had told your boss it was a personal matter, to which he did not listen... You're saying you'd be cool with him perpetuating a notion in the media that you'd lied, and airing falsely, without confirmation or proof to the contrary, that you'd ditched the team for a SB? JVG is a POWER ABUSING jerk with no compassion, and no listening skills. You cannot convince me that if he'd given a rip about the team as a whole, and winning was the utmost concern, that he wouldn't have let SF fly out later. The message JVG sends out from the automatic suspension is that he has NO CONCERN for anyone but himself. It shows that he cares more about appearances and stature than the win column. Pimp, yes an $80 Million contract holder has WAY MORE to lose than a 2-year hirling, ailing coach's replacement, never-won-a-title coach. I have more reson to believe a first offense, substantiated alibi offering (though post-scandal in the media thanks to JVG), team veteran with everything to lose as far as a career in his home town of choice, than someone who'd clearly would rather be back in NY... (why does JVG keep hiring only NYK people?) Has any one else noticed that all of this crud between SF and JVG happened in the media AFTER the NJ Nets job came open? JVG wants to go back to the Brooklyn (NY) area... so instead of leaving with class, he starts more crud so he can at least bring someone down with him. It's a theory, but it's pretty well thought out. There'll be no love lost from the majority of the Houston fans if the NY (self proclaimed) "yankee" goes back to the northeast. It's more of JVG realizing he's chosen wrongly to come here IMO, than it is a case of "mass player subordination" as some claim that JVG is going though this to "correct." It boils down to this... FINE your player. Then SIT him down from the starting position. But if you SUSPEND him and equate him to the likes of EG - well, you just made that bed to lie in for yourself. All for a missed flight? That's all it was. Since he didn't attend the SB, it's just about a missed flight. Something most coaches would at least keep quite about in the media, much less putting business (falsely assumed/accused) out in the street. JVG may not have created this circus... I'll grant you that SF missing the flight was wrong in the first place... BUT JVG sure does seem to keep the lions in the center ring angry for a longer period of time than necessary... and he's the clown as a result. JVG loves to stir it up... it's obvious by his continued agitation, and I doubt many players enjoy, admire or respect a coach that is a constant show-of-strength jerk. I see the world through the player's view... rose colored lenses, or whatever... I think it's the fairest view in a league with a players' union... with a players' exhibition game (All-Star)... with players' images on shoes/clothing/posters, etc. For goodness' sake, I've never watched a game to see the coach. I doubt many of us have... my arguement is that JVG did not handle the initial situation fairly, given the circumstances, and made the situation worse EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. If SF responded in the media, can you blame him? His coach has ripped him, helped defame his credibility, although wrongly... SF has dealt with it the wrong way too. But blame goes both ways... and more so to the coach. If the coach is the ultimate leader, then guess what? EXAMPLE is the best leader. STOP AIRING STUFF when it's not needed, STOP having a power trip. Be a man that talks to another man. JVG is not SF's boss. They both work for Les. And SF knows it, while JVG seems to not get that point.
Let's talk about the last off-season: Drayton gets Petite and Roger Clemens. Les lets Posey and Antonio Daniels slip. Who's the spender and who's the Cheap b*stard? Can we live WITHOUT SF? Please, check our records sans Stevie the last few years...
Do you understand what a POLL is? http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/poll.php?action=showresults&pollid=1323 and the number is????????? I don't need to read further load of craps.
So now that you make yourself clear.. you are right. But I am right too since I refer to the poll atop the ClutchFans.net front page asking quote, "If you had a choice to trade (or remove) one of these names from the Rockets, who would you choose?" Sue me, genius. and the number is???????????????????? Do you understand what a TROLL is? Don't call someone "young man" if you first and foremost can't even communicate like you're an adult yourself. Do you understand what an insult is? "load of craps" - LOL
you have to caluclate in that the poll u mentioned has other players; regardless on both polls majority want steve gone.
You know, that's five-way race, close to 50% is a high number. LoL. It's 70% in the binary choice poll. I enjoy people like you actually. You know, I learned a new phrase in the bookstore today in reading a business book. This has to do with how to deal with argumentative colleagues: Don't wrestle with the pig. it gets dirty, and only pig enjoys it. So I'll follow the advice since this apprearantly isn't going anywhere.
And you appearantly cannot understand the connection between these two sentences from your response. I had no intension to insult you actually. "So this BBS with 15,475 members means that much as to the total of Houston Sports fans?" o you understand what a POLL is?"
Being that I still am... I don't care if you've changed your opinion of me. That's your privilege or prerogative. I was personally attacked for defending my view of the JVG disciplinary actions against SF... by several. But attacks on age make no sense. I may be younger than some here, but not to the point that it needs to be called out by someone that does not know me at all. Different views on managing a group of players needs to based on one's experience dealing with similar situations... something I've had a great deal of experience in. I've followed this team since '76, been here since '96... don't know of you except from 2000, and michecon shows up in 2002 and suddenly he's the all-knowing-wisdom-guy in this thread. I'm reasonable. I also understand that a poll on this LESS THAN 16,000 PEOPLE BBS does not in any way shape or form account for the whole of sports, and or Rockets fans in Houston, or the NBA. I'm simply saying that I as a fan am more hurt by all of JVG's doings in this than SF's. SF was wrong... but a leader LEADS by EXAMPLE. JVG's example is SLAMMING guys in the press. Ultimately the coach's words will hurt us more in the long run, than a missed flight. Enough already with the personalized attacks... I'm attacking the style of coach that JVG is. And if anyone personally attacks me, well.... I'm sorry, it's my bad, I'm at fault for reacting. Water off a duck's back... grain of salt... consider the source... from now on. PEACE r we ?
When I was in college several years ago earning my degree, I was in a business management class at one point... we learned of an "x" type of boss, and a "y" type of boss. "x" type = closed fisted, suspects everyone is up to no good, suspects everyone is robbing the company, treats everyone with harsh rulings and swift discipline. "x" type = (IMO) JVG "y" type = tends to say things once and gives people the benefit of the doubt that they will do their job, therefore trusting the team to get the job done By statistics in several studies, which do you think people prefer to work for? "y" type Also by statistics in several studies, which type of management do people tend to be more productive under? "y" type This is my main argument (by the way for SEVERAL threads discussing this point). That IMO our current Rockets head coach JVG is one that seems to be "closed fisted, suspects everyone is up to no good, suspects everyone is robbing the company, treats everyone with harsh rulings and swift discipline." And that we need a coach who "tends to say things once and gives people the benefit of the doubt that they will do their job, therefore trusting the team to get the job done." No grown man 5 years into a professional job of any description should be belittled in front of his colleagues, and then not even heard as telling the truth when he speaks to defend himself. JVG is an "x" and all I want to know is why? Why not hire a "y"? I'm not going to qualify your "pig" story, as much as you'd like me to. For I am not sure which way the mud would sling further, and which way you are indicating it is coming from in the first place. You jumped me personally, not the issue.
This "I have been here longer than you" is a little silly...FWIW, I think I have been lurking here since 97 and got kicked the first time in 98 or early 99 (I think it was 98)...took me some time to ask to be allowed to register again...
I agree. It was aimed at the other fella... not you. The whole "young man" comment. No biggie, just kinda fightin' fire with fire. BTW - your "drivel" line in the other thread was good stuff.
Nothing happened, it was a routine press conference. 610 irresponsably reported as a big deal then later came back and said it was a routine deal.
