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Van Gundy Challenges Officials and Says an Owner Is to Blame

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by wireonfire, May 1, 2005.

  1. roxgirl

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    Agreed.
     
  2. wwale

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    I have thought the credit rating had been upgraded a little bit since the breaking of Juwon Howard story. At least better than zero?

    Actually this "warning" thing was reported and published by China's biggest sports newspaper,then the article was posted on Sina. That fact, for sure, doesn't necessarily mean the story should be rated AAA, but I still want to clarify some facts and help you make sure what you really zero-credited, Sina as a website, all chinese media, or both?
     
  3. redcapital

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    So basically you agree with Cuban that these calls should be made on Yao's illegal screens, right?

    But the point JVG made was not whether these screens were legal or not, it was about why call them at that particular point of time? JVG didn't claim those moves were legal, but that they are common scene is today's nba,they are everywhere and everybody is doing it and gets away with it, why call it on Yao now? that's the question here. The answer is Cuban called Yao out on that one, the nba responded to Cuban by giving him that that call, that's the probblem we are talking about now.
     
  4. New Jack

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    It's inconsistent on a game by game basis, but I think the officials will do a fairly consistent job throughout a particular game.

    It's no secret that each game is called differently. One game, they'll call every ticky tack foul. The next, they'll let the players play. It's up to the players to adjust each game. This has been going on in the NBA far before Yao ever entered the league.

    I think what might be the problem with Yao is that he's slow to adjust. He can't expect each game to be called exactly the same as the previous one. Within the first 5 minutes of a game, Yao should have a clear idea of how the officials are going to call the game and he should adjust his game accordingly.
     
  5. Williamson

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    brilliant move by JVG. If this gets enough attention, then not only will the refs be fair to Yao, but they may even be afraid to call a foul on Yao.
     
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    You know, I tend to agree, as much as I want to blame the refs in this series, we have still had leads in the 3rd and 4th quarters of both home games and blew them. But then, again, Yao;s not in the game (in portions of the 4th) to prevent the Mavs charge because of some calls that were regular season calls. But at the end of the day, it's Yao fumbling balls out of bounds in the late minutes when he does come back in.

    My biggest problem with the refs this series is not how they referee Yao, but how they referee Dirk. He gets away with more than any Rockets player does. he gets bailed out more than any player in the NBA right now.
     
  7. SamCassell

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    I think that if you set blatantly illegal screens, yes, you should be called for it. Both ways, on the Mavs and on the Rockets alike.

    Basically, I'm all for a tightly officiated game. I don't like leaving it to officials to not call certain plays a foul, because there's too much subjectivity instituted into the system, too much left in the hands of officials about when to call and when to swallow the whistle. If they just call fouls when they see fouls, period, then you've got an objective standard to follow and judge.
     
  8. tested911

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    I understand your guys frustration about the calls Yao has been getting. But common fellas.. do you guys forget hack-a-Shaq... Man that guy should have been to the free throw line like a minimum of 15 times a night.... The way I see it through the officiating eyes is that he is big (man) enough to take it.. Is it fair no, but thats the way it rolls.
     
  9. Toast

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    No, I think it's his way of complaining about terrible officiating without drawing a huge fine by the league.
     
  10. wakkoman

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    He would also be fouled out by halftime if they called all the offensive fouls he commits

    If you're a ref in the NBA, are YOU gonna foul out Shaq by halftime? If not, you gotta let some fouls go the other way too.
     
  11. Tom Archer

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    Both statements are true. Houston could have overcome the bad officiating with better play and won both games.

    However, that doesn't change the fact that with better officiating, they probably win at least the last game and maybe both.
     
  12. Tom Archer

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    Exactly. However, everytime Shaq literally runs through someone, the refs call it "traveling" instead of an offensive foul.
     
  13. McMingDynasty

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    My roomates and I were just watching the Heat/Nets game yesterday and we all agreed that the NBA has became extremely boring. It's overworked by the refs, I remember watching that game and screaming "let them play! stop calling fouls!!" I hope one day they'll come up with Robot referees. You know.. the ones that aren't gonna be bias. Anywho, I just wanna say it's a man's game, so let'em play and stop calling bs.

    GJ JVG, Go Rockets!
     
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    Here's how we're going to look back at games 3 and 4 a year or two from now. Yao (assuming he's still here) will have refined his moves. He and McGrady will anticipate each other's decisions the way Stockton and Malone did after years of playing together. We'll look back at these games as the games in which Yao got called for a couple of fouls because he hadn't yet figured out where the circle was or how to turn his body just a little bit, and Yao fumbled an easy-2 pass from McGrady out of bounds under the basket, and McGrady drove to the right side and put up a lame miss off the backboard because he wasn't sure where Yao would be. And that's 8 points right there, and a game we're now (in the imaginary future) winning by 4 at the end, we lost by 4 instead.
     
  15. redcapital

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    I wonder what the game will be like if they start to call every foul they see. I think it's about striking a balance b/w not call and calling everything. :confused:
     
  16. pippendagimp

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    I'm all for a tightly and accurately officiated game as well. But that's never happened in our lifetimes and I'm not banking on it happening anytime soon.

    It's like jaywalking or driving 56 when the sign says 55. Sure it's against the law. But you're not gonna see an officer stop someone for it. The only time that would ever happen is if the officer already had a preconceived bias or agenda to fullfil. Likewise, NBA refs are continuously watching, waiting, and salivating down their chins for anything they can call on Yao in this series. If Dampier grabs his jersey, they will give Yao a technical for untucked jersey/wardrobe malfunction.
     
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    I know i'm reposting this, but I can't help think that someone read my letter afterall;) I whipped this email to the rockets after Game 3, before it was reported that Cuban was riding the league about Yao. It just seemed obvious from the calls that night, that someting was up, and low and behold there was.


     
  18. pugsly8422

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    This is a great post. Sure I'm upset about the calls on Yao, but it gets me even more upset to watch Dirk get soooo many calls everytime he goes to the basket, or flops. Everytime I see the ticky tack fouls on Dirk I think of how I sometimes see Yao get mugged only to end up with a TO instead of FT's.

    Another good point is Yao fumbling balls out of bounds. That seems to happen at least once or twice a game, I remember in game 4 it happened when he got a pass for a sure dunk from TMac. It slipped through his fingers, and the game closely followed.

    Pugs
     
  19. real_egal

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    Or you can simply draw the conclusion that if they had played a perfect game, they would be 16-0 in playoffs. The only problem is, that they didn't. What's more frustrating is, they won't play a perfect game a year or two from now either.
     
  20. TechLabor

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    It's about time to remove David Stern!!!

    Give us back the fair play!!!
     

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