Yeah..when plotting to attack a school with firearms, the main deterent is the missdemenor of having a gun in a no gun zone...people really can rationalize anything, amazing.
^^The problem is that even if we made all guns illegal tomorrow, there'd still be the guns we have today. It's much harder to forge effective gun control legislation than compared to a country in Europe.
Exactly, the last thing we need is more people in volitile situations in which they have no experiance with the means to kill 10 more people. Also, if the US Army cant seem to differentiate between its own highly trained soldiers and the enemy, what makes you think a rent a cop security guard or another armed student will correctly make the distinction between a mass killer and another armed student who is not a threat?
Yeah, I think he is just refering to gun deaths when it comes to that 50 number. Also, total crime is obviously going to go up as population increasses, esspecially immigrants who live in the inner city.
Fair enough, but some incremental steps need to be taken as it has been proven time and time again that access to guns leads to violence. What those steps are is not my decision, and we would certanly have to wait at least 2 years to find out, as I wouldnt hold my breath for W to do any type of service to humanity, but there is no doubt in my mind that something needs to be done.
It is clearly too easy for a dangerous person to buy a gun in this country. Despite all the background searches in the world, the problems a kid like this was having are not going to show up in some national database registry. Notes from college counselors and professors aren't gonna show up. Apparently the fact he was admitted into a mental ward of a hospital isn't gonna show up, either...after a doctor deemed he was a danger to himself. Months later, the guy walks into a store..and an hour later buys a gun he'll use in an attack to kill 30+ unsuspecting victims and himself. Cry about the 2nd Amendment all you want. Lament the loss of liberty. But it's too freaking easy to buy a gun in this country...and that needs to stop. Now. The excuses for that are pitiful and demeaning to the victims of gun violence in this country.
i'm not talking about it as a deterent. i'm talking about the fact that they're confiscated when found on a college campus. i'm not talking merely about guarding against these rare events...i'm talking about making sure a bunch of 18-22 year old kids aren't walking around college campuses carrying guns. that's freaking ridiculous.
I think some common sense legislation would be that if you have been checked into a mental hospital you should not be allowed to buy guns.
wasn't there some stat about victims who had guns to protect themselves were more likely to get shot than those that didn't?
Let's face it, this is part of the American culture to own guns and it will not change in our life time.
Here's my take on this issue. If this dude lived and was raised in Amsterdam would he still become a mass murderer? I'll tell you one thing for sure is that, He'll be a Mass Smoker!!! I don't think he would even consider to shoot anything because he'll be to busy smoking the dank! Why won't we send all the mentally and the challenged outcast to Amsterdam. If you have a problem with life, and can't seemed to grasp reality; send the delusional to Amsterdam.
Take it a step further, when friends and family got in a confrontation, or rob one another, if those people didn't have guns, the chances are good that noone got shot, right?
I want to say something to add to Sishir,...I applaud that he agrees on the 2nd admendment regards to self-defense, but I discount the infer that it was meant for the states somehow with exclusion of "the people" being the citizens...I don't buy it. the people is the people....If you feel Bush attacked your rights, I equally feel the left has attacked the 2nd admendment and/or infringed on the 2nd admendment...Then guess what? By the left infringing on the 2nd admendment then that means the right has legitimacy in infringing on other rights...all in the name of saving lives...It makes no sense, but that is what happens when you advocate infringing on just one of the rights,...even if it is the loathsome to the left 2nd admendment... So my advice to the left is...Don't...Trust me, you guys will be the better person and will sway moderates who embrace uninfringement of rights... But that is not want I want to say...I truly wanted to say that I believe 180 degrees on whether an armed militia of citizens can act as a deterrent to a military power... Many (including myself) have a .50 BMG rifle made in murphreesboro, TN, with legal incendiary rounds. These rounds can stop a small plane or light armored vehicle...But more than that having an estimated 10 million+ citizens with armor piercing .223 or .308 semi-auto rifles is enough to halt an easy takeover... Sure the military would likely overcome but not at a great, great cost and that is a deterrent enough worthy of the 2nd admendment as it is...
