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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Sishir Chang, Apr 16, 2007.

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  1. weslinder

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    I suggest you read some of the Federalist Papers.
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    Actually in the last reported year, Compton, CA was the murder capital of the USA. California has the most restrictive gun laws of any state in America. Houston came in at 46th in the USA.

    But why let facts get involved in making your argument?

    Stupid facts. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Falcons Talon

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    Ummm...I'm arguing for people to break into a home and shoot their victim?


    You don't have to trust me. You won't even know I have a gun. So don't worry, you can trust me just as if I never touched a gun in my life.

    BTW, there are a lot of killing devices out there...and not just guns.

    If you know of someone that has the power to get the guns out of criminals hands, please have them do something about it as soon as possible.

    Good...the more people that fight back, the less people CHL holders have to defend.

    Any particular reason you spelled week "weak"?
     
  4. Falcons Talon

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    Silly criminals. Don't they know that there are gun restrictions in California?

    Nice propoganda NewYorker. :rolleyes:

    Not to mention that 5 California cities appear before Texas appears.
     
  5. Falcons Talon

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    But in New Yorker's defense, New York city is ranked #153...Hmmm...let me see where my big bad town with all the wild west gunslingers is located...
    Oh...there it is...#276...

    HAHAHAHAHA!!!
     
  6. Falcons Talon

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    So...let me get this straight New Yorker...

    Out of 100,000 people, 16 are murdered in Houston while in the Upotia, 6 are murdered. Not exactly too much of a difference...
     
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  7. sammy

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    I just saw the tape that the gunmen sent to NBC (vid on yahoo)... Its trippy
     
  8. Phreak3

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    The one good thing about his tape is that it puts an end to the question of whether he was a Muslim or not. There's a lot of sick people out there in internet land who want to try to spin him into being a Muslim (ie, Ismail Ax) for their own agendas...
     
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    the pics of him are disturbing as well...
     
  10. NewYorker

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    that's 10 lives per 100K. seems like a lot to me.

    Or 1 live out of every 10K. Just look at it this way - next time you got to a Rockets game - look around the stadium - two of those people will be murdered in the next year.

    only one will get a chance at the half-court shot.

    Now, would you go to Rockets game if you knew that two people would be selected to be murdered? Pretty loyal fan.
     
  11. NewYorker

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    Yeah, Houston had over 5 times the number of murders as Compton.
     
  12. Ottomaton

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    I am actually a bit embarrassed for you that you would try to make this argument.
     
  13. Invisible Fan

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    I doubt NY'er feels embarrassment on this board, if only for others.
     
  14. NewYorker

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    No, you are arguing that you need guns to protect your home. Despite the stats that show that households with guns are far more likely to have a family member die of a gun shot (via suicide or homicide) wound than a criminal shooting them.

    Studies have been done that show that there is a correlation between gun ownership and homocide.

    Gun owners love to shows a stat that 2.5 million americans have used guns to defend themselves. How crazy is this stat? It was based on a survey in which one percent of the 5,000 responds (that would be 50) said they used a gun in self-defense. ONE PERCENT. That's statistically nothing. However, they simply multiplied 1% by 250MM americans to get 2.5 million.

    Using the same methodology - a survey asked how many americans had Alien contact. They calculated that 20 Million Americans have had contact with aliens from outer space. Hmmmmmmm.

    Gun owners like to talk about how the crime rate in UK has gone up. They don't pay attention to the fact that the UK started accounting crime different, and when they use the same accounting standard - gun deaths actually decreased 5%.

    Gun owners will tell you that if you ban guns, you are only taking them away from them. But the truth is that the less guns, the harder it is for criminals to get guns as well. Less gun availability - less guns for criminals. Most guns criminals used for murder were obtained legally - not illegally.

    For several years now, the nation's crime rate has fallen – but the drop in crime has not been spread equally throughout the country. As a group, states that chose to fight crime by loosening their concealed weapons laws had a significantly smaller drop in crime than states which looked to other means to attack crime in their communities.

    Violent crime actually rose in 3 of 11 states (27%) that relaxed CCW laws prior to 1992 over the six years beginning in 1992, compared to a similar rise in violent crime in only 4 of 22 states (18%) which had restrictive CCW laws or did not permit the carrying of concealed weapons.

    Between 1992 through 1998 (the last six years for which data exists), the violent crime rate in the strict and no-issue states fell 30% while the violent crime rate for states that liberalized carry laws prior to 1992 dropped half as much — by 15%. Nationally, the violent crime rate fell 25%.

    Additionally, the robbery rate also fell faster in states with strict carry laws. Our analysis found that between 1992 and 1998, the robbery rate in strict and no issue states fell 44% while the robbery rate for the states that liberalized carry laws prior to 1992 dropped 24%. Nationally, the robbery rate fell 37%.
     
  15. Ottomaton

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    Please document this. I am aquainted with a Scottish detective who is fond of the UK ban, and he doesn't deny that the murder rate has risen. Given your littany of other 'questionable claims and statistics' (to be polite), I think it is appropriate to request documentation when you provide numbers like this.
     
  16. Bandwagoner

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    This stat is propaganda. Ever hear the stats on the likely hood the burglar/robber/killer is someone the family knows?

    The actual stat is family or a friend. Husbands are always questioned when their wife is killed for a reason. The high chance that they were involved. Also crackhead cousins and friends tend to rob people they know. You already mentioned the suicide stat. This stat in no way shows that guns will more than likely be used against the owner. It shows that friends and families are more likely to kill each other. There is no motive if you don;t even know the person.
     
  17. NewYorker

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    http://www.iansa.org/campaigns_events/documents/2006/Statistics-2.pdf


    In 2005/2006, the number of gun murders fell by more than a third from 78 to 50

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6372717.stm


    50 Murders in 2006 - in all of the UK - a country of 52 MM.

    Think about that - yall are shouting how gun control is killing more people in the UK - but despite an illegal proliferation of guns in the country - the number of murders dropped to 50 fomr 78 (actually a 33% drop, more than 5% - thanks for helping me check up on the facts).

    Houston had nearly 400 murders last year. 8 times than all of the UK, despite having 1/26th the population.

    That means you are 208 times more likely to be murdered by a firearm in Houston that in the UK.

    Yeah - gun control in the UK doesn't work :rolleyes:
     
  18. NewYorker

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    Ok, so you would keep a gun in your home because you may be safer - even though your kids, friends and wife will have a higher chance of being killed?

    Guess you are just looking out for number 1 huh?
     
  19. Ottomaton

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    I see nothing anywhere there about alterations in accounting procedure. The second article actually talks about how bad gun violence is, and detracts from your cause. Nothing says anything about the following statement:

    Of course gun homecides went down, but other homecides went up and then some.

    There were a total of 765 homicide offences recorded in 2005/06

    Total number of murders was well above where it was when the ban was introduced in 1997.

    Again you can't seem to make a coherent and logical argument without distorting statistics or flat out making stuff up. You seem to be irrational when it comes to this subject. Apparently you think that you are so right that lying in the service of your cause is OK? It just makes you look like a mental patient.
     
  20. fredthered

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    Wow...how about we just remove the guns? I

    f histroy has shown anything, it is that escalation only leads to more violence. If the student has a gun, then the teacher better get a gun, and if the teacher has a gun, the principal better get a gun, and the seccurity guard should proabably get an M-16, just in case...

    Sorry, I forgot 15 middle age white dudes 200 years ago decided that was against the law...
     

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