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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Sishir Chang, Apr 16, 2007.

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  1. weslinder

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    I own a handgun and I personally wouldn't shoot anyone else. I own it completely for recreation. I typically don't keep ammunition in the house. I buy what I want to shoot and shoot it. I can only guess that the majority of handgun owners are like myself.
     
  2. rage

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    If you and the majority own guns for recreation only then you guys don't mind giving them up, right? If it allows the police to do their job better? If it means guns can be kept out of the hands of the crazy people?
    Can you shoot a bow and arrow for fun? I hear from a friend that it's awesome.
     
  3. MR. MEOWGI

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    Kind of like lawn darts.
     
  4. rage

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    So what have you been telling us? What about using them for defense? What about people like you protecting people like us from harm? You want your right to carry arms, fine but if you can't do those things I mentioned, fine. Don't hide behind them as reasons if they are not.

    btw, you have not told me if your wife carry gun? Do your children carry guns? Are you with them at all times to protect them? What happens to them when you are not around?
     
  5. rage

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    You throw dart at a little target 5 yards away.
    The guy described shooting an arrow at a target 50 or more yards away and how it feels to control it.
    I also knew a guy who hunted with a bow and arrow. He did not hit many games ... I understand ... but it was still fun.
     
  6. weslinder

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    I'm pretty passive by nature and as a Christian, I am asked to respect the government, so I would give my guns up if they were made illegal. (DaDa asked me earlier, and I really had to think about it.)

    I do shoot a bow-and-arrow and bowhunt. I rarely hunt with a gun.

    But whether or not I'm willing isn't the point. The 2nd ammendment was provided as a check against tyranny. Americans saw that Europeans could be oppressed because they were unarmed. They didn't want that here. I agree with them. Only allowing the government to own deadly force is a scary proposition in my mind. It doesn't matter whether I personally would use that deadly force or not.
     
  7. NewYorker

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    actually the murder rate by firearms in Mexico has declined somewhat - but in Mexico - but they have an issue outside gun control - and that's the lack of a strong policing.

    I also love how you compare the U.S. to Mexico though. Let's use a third-world nation as our basis for having guns. Forget the Europeans - we're more like the Mexicans!
     
  8. mc mark

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    But rather than having a few shotguns and a handgun or two does one really need an AK47 that shoots 50 rounds a minute or a shoulder fired rocket launcher? I think there could be a balance. You can have your hunting guns and side arms, but you don't need a dam arsenal.

    IMHO
     
  9. weslinder

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    Guns have never been a big part of European culture. They are a big part of both American and Mexican culture. So in regards to guns, America is definitely more like Mexico than Europe.
     
  10. weslinder

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    I'm not sure what you're trying to argue:

    If you're trying to argue that those weapons should be banned:

    I think (not sure) that shoulder-fired rocket launchers are illegal. Banning an AK-47 (semi-automatic) is easier said than done. Functionally, there are similar weapons that are used in hunting (semi-automatic deer rifles, shotguns with slugs). That's why the now-expired assault rifle ban just limited the size of the magazine.

    If you're trying to argue that an armed populace would need those weapons to defend against tyranny:

    Those would be better than hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns to defend against tyranny. But a tyrannical State in a country as large as ours would have trouble oppressing the people if they have any kind of modern weapon.
     
  11. NewYorker

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    Right, and we have drug cartels in the U.S. opperating with impunity in the U.S. just like Mexico? And our country is a half-baked banana republic? Please. Why don't you use Columbia as a comparison example. Our level of violence is more in line with Columbia then Europe.

    Oh yeah, where do you think all those guns in Mexico comes from by the way????? Hmmmmm - what nation borders Mexico with a lot of guns? There are more guns in our country than Americans - we're out numbered by guns!

    Look, some people favor gun control. I am against gun control. I want them banned. Completely and unequivacally. And if you guys keep defending guns in the midst of these increasingly frequent murders - you won't end up with gun control, you'll have your guns taken away.

    Personally, I think your support of gun "rights" is part of the problem that has resulted in deaths - the blood is on your hands, not mine.

    Anyone who thinks guns can be used in self-defense is kidding themselves. You think the guy holding a gun at your kid - what's he going to do when you reach for your gun? You want to do that in that situation?

    What scenario is a gun going to help you? And even if you believe you are responsible - the guy who has the gun pointing at you or whoever CLEARLY ISN"T RESPONSIBLE.

    Ban guns. Plan and simple. Learn self-defense. Learn to avoid trouble. That's the best protection you can have. Support your local police.

    Don't turn our country into Mexico and COlumbia!
     
  12. NewYorker

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    I am against the assualt weapon ban ya know. It's useless. Guns are guns - ban them all, except hunting rifles which should be strictly controled and regulated.

    Anyone caught in possession of a gun should immediately face imprisionment. No guns in cars, homes, or wherever. It's too easy for a kid to get access to a gun at home and hurt themselves or someone else.

    If you want self-defense, use tasers, bats, mace, or other non-lethal means. The technology for non-lethal but effective self-defense weapons are there.

    We don't need cowboys carryinng around guns because it makes them feel more like men.
     
  13. mc mark

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    I guess I didn't make myself clear.

    I would be for banning certain types of weapons. But not sure where the line should be drawn.
     
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    No, I don't know where the guns in Mexico come from. What about you? Are you trying to imply that those guys must have come from the north of their border? Another hysterical assumption from NewYorker. :rolleyes:
     
  15. weslinder

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    I agree completely. There are definitely some weapons that are not useful for self-defense or hunting that could be used in a mass killing. Most of these are illegal right now. I'm not for making them legal.

    Even so, they still exist. I have seen .22-caliber rifles converted to fully-automatic, with instructions off the web.
     
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    As I volunteered years ago to help the Bosnians re-settle here in the midst of the ethnic cleansing going in eastern europe, many of them watched horrors and atrocities take place.

    The Serbs were primarily the military and weapons were outlawed like in any good little ex-communist nation. The troops would come in and rape their women in front of them to shame their people and take the men to camps or to a mass grave. I for one don't think that would ever, EVER happen in Tomball, Texas. A reason why? Guns and the rugged individualism here in the United States.

    Now we can hunt with our hands, a bow and arrow or a pocketknife, but the reason we have the right to bear arms is to never allow our government or an outside government to take our country. Its hard to imagine at this juncture, but all societies go through a peak and trough and we must allow our future generations to be able to protect themselves from tyranny no matter the cost.
     
  17. Falcons Talon

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    I'm not hiding behind anything. I simply answered your stupid question and then I see your second one.

    Neither Tara nor my children carry a sidearm. No I am not always there to protect them, but when I am, I sure a hell will have the means.

    When the kids are at school, all I can do is pray that the bad guys continue to be scared off by that big bad "Gun Free Zone" that tells them that law abiding CHL holders do not have their weapons.
     
  18. Falcons Talon

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    If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. Do you really think that I am going to reach for a gun while my son is being held with a gun on him? You pick your moments. If you do not have to draw, you don't. What am I going to do when a bad guy is trying to come into my room that my family is in? Take cover, aim for center of mass, pull the trigger until the threat is COMPLETELY neutralized.

    What about in a situation where you can no longer retreat without leaving your cover. Cover gives you time to compose yourself and draw.

    Ban guns so the wolves can eat buffet style.
    I'll bet every violent criminal and gangbanger is in favor of gun bans.
     
  19. Falcons Talon

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    How long before a taser is juiced up? How long before we go back to chain, bat, and knife gang wars.

    If you need a gun to feel like a man, you've got your head on wrong. I carry a gun for protection.
     
  20. MR. MEOWGI

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    I hate when people say "the bad guys".
     

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