I've had Defensive CQB pistol training in which you are trained to move backwards while rapid firing center mass. that is why I recommend Glocks (simplicity)...The knife would not get to me...V would be dead. Against your point, I feel there may be less deaths IF a CHL holder is trained...
Is there any study of actual crimes that have been stopped by CHL Holders? (Not theoretical since that's difficult to measure, but situations where a crime was actually attempted and prevented)
If you ever went to a range to see a police officer shoot (much less a rent a cop) you might change your mind. They view their sidearm as a bother. Something they have to practice once a year to pass their test. They have mostly never touched a gun before they are cops and have no real knowledge of them.
Why would you report it? What would it be called? Attempted robbery? Only if they catch the guy. The only stuff reported is when it ends with a shooting. Excellent question by the way.
Agree. This isn't Steven Segal and Chuck Norris here. It's real life. It's not like someone will pull out a gun Halo style and start airing out the attacker. I'm not so sure I would try to take him out though(unless I'm coming from behind). I just can't say. I won't want to be the first guy to jump on since that would make me most likely to be shot. Being the 3rd or 4th guy is more reasonable. Being a hero isn't for me, I'm trying to save myself first in that situation.
Vs thousands of students having guns??? College students are partying night after night, some are doing drugs, have a sense of immortality, may be a tad immature or impetuous, have relationships started and ending every two weeks, and the solution is.... GUNS On CAMPUS!
At the same time, don't most of those types of activities happen "off campus?" If so wouldn't the ban not really have any effect on that? I'm not sure what parts of the campus carry the gun ban and what parts don't. At least here at UT, most of the partying occurs in the West Campus area which, I would imagine, not be a part of such a ban because it's off campus. Again, I'm not familiar with Virginia Tech but if the ban were taken away, would it really have any effect on the legality of carrying handguns in areas where most of these activities occur?
Well, it would definitely be reported on police reports or whatever. If a bad guy is about to shoot up a school and some CHL guy shoots him, that would be recorded somewhere. Obviously, that's an extreme scenario, but there are enough states that have had CHL laws for long enough that there should be some evidence of stopped crimes. Since CHL's are primarily beneficial in public places (you don't need to conceal your gun in your house), those things would definitely be reported as attempted crimes. I'm just curious what kind of data we have on that and what it might show.
If people are taking their guns to class or the rec center or whatever there's a lot more chance they're going to have them on them when they are doing keg stands later on.
Aren't the type of people who would take them to class the same people who would have them at a party regardless?
I don't know. All I'm saying is that if you make it easier for people to carry guns everywhere, it stands to reason that they'd be more likely to show up in places where they probably shouldn't be. Not a hard point.
Bingo. At the University of Florida a few weeks ago, a football player got into a scuffle w/ someone at a night club. Afterwards in the parking lot where they met again, the football player went to his car, pulled out a gun, and shot it in the air because he 'wanted him to know what fear was'. This is a 6'3 300lb football player mind you. The other guy took off and called the cops and eventually the football player was found and arrested. Is the solution to give the other guy a gun, in order to have a shootout in the parking lot possibly harming many other people around? If more students had guns there would be shootouts every night after the clubs closed.
The night club is not a part of the "no-gun" zone in discussion here anyway. In fact, I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think the other guy could have carried a gun legally had he had a CHL. So the situation really isn't the same. EDIT: There would not be shootouts every night because people already carry guns. You guys act like nobody ever carries a gun. Nobody is saying that MORE people should have guns. What they're saying is that someone who is legally licensed to carry a gun should be able to do so on campus. Whether or not you agree with this, changing the frame of argument is a dishonest way to debate the issue.
If a guy showed his gun then the would be attacker ran away how would it be reported? Its just to hard to quantify it.
Thousands of students do have guns. Whats your point? Did I ever say go around with an ice cream truck and hand out handguns? No I said people who are already legally licensed to carry handguns where allowed this freedom in schools like they have it everywhere else .
No more likely if that was their goal they would just illegally carry it. Then get bored and leave it at home.
