Good discussion, I guess a lot better than the usual "Fire JVG" threads. Thanks to everyone who is participating. But, Sam Fisher is still afraid to post in here....he is happy to criticize others, but afraid to go on record himself. Too bad, since he has been saying for so long that V-Span sucks it would be interesting to see what he thinks his upside is..... But, he is too afraid to put it down for others to see. Which severly undermines his opinions on everything. So far he has only given half an answer in this thread. Which is detailed above, but he is still afraid to vote to have his voice be a matter of public record...which is cowardly to say the least...but he will be the first one out to criticize..that you can count on. Honestly, I would like to hear what he really thinks...as instead of arguing about something, I am enjoying hearing people's opinions on a player who is clearly quite controversial. Again, thanks to all who are participating in this thread as I am trying to have a nice discourse instead of the typical arguments.....of which I am certainly prone to participate in and over do it. DD
After much cajoling, Sam came on and gave his honest assesment, which I do appreciate. He did say he could be wrong, but at least he had the stones to say what he felt....and that is appreciated. DD
Sorry but i really don't think hes going anywhere. Ive seen some flashes of quality but thats not enough. The fact that he doesn't get any playing time makes more sense. He may be successful in Europe but not in the physical NBA.
Mediocre player... 15-min spark off the bench if anything. All his basketball strengths are not well adapted to the NBA game. Sadly, with him being a PG, that is a crucial fault considering his play is reliant upon the play of others on the floor. His quickness gives him a decent chance at cracking a rotation once his game is revised.
I'll take all the "fake info" that I can get. Especially when said "fake info" oddly enough seems to be verified later on. hmm.. makes you wonder if it's fake at all
I would expect for Spanoulis' game to reach the level of Sarunas Marciulionis who was a solid nba starter for several years. He is slight smaller that Sarunas but his game follows similar patterns. He also shares a few similarities with TP but overall he is bigger, slower, plays better D but doesn't show TP's character in tough moments although he is a hard nosed guy. I also think it will take him 2-3 to reach his potential, given that he'll get chances to develop.
Very interesting....Sarunas was one of my favorite players, he was absolutely nails... I would be happy if that is where V-Span ends up. DD
Zactly. VSpan's strength is handling the ball at the top of the key area and working off picks. If his defender chooses to go underneath the pick, then VSpan can nail that 18 foot top of the key like nobody's business along with using his quicks to run pick and roll or take it to the rack. VSpan is the only potential player on our roster outside of Bonzi that is capable of playing the third primary scorer/creator role with any success. Everybody else on the roster either derives their offense off 111 or they are on their best nights very mediocre scorers on their own with no ability to create double teams and get shots for others. VSpan is the only player besides 111 and Bonzi who is capable of getting points and creating offense for the rest of the team. We need him at the point, and we need to be running picks up top for him to be able to use his quickness, speed, passing ability and his vision to get the offense revved up. He is not a stand around spot up point guard. He is not a shooting guard.
He's not good enough. He might be slightly better defensively. He wasn't even better than Arroyo was in the world championships. I don't even think he'll reach Arroyo's level. Arroyo has been a starter in this league before, Vspan is not gonna see that. He's not a reliable distributor/ball handler. Even if he gets to the paint, what's he gonna do with it!!? He always runs a high risk of a turnover, and his shooting is not a cause of concern for the other team. They're at least 50 PG's in the league better than him, and two of them are on our team, Rafer and Lucas. This illusion of whatever it is you got for Vspan needs to stop. Step back into reality, the guy is a garbage time player. He won't even see time if we lose one of the PG because T-Mac will take over playmaking duties.
VSPAN will only be good if he wants it that much more. If he lets time on the bench discourage him and let it affect his game, than that means he just isn't good enough. If VSPAN regresses from this point on, it's not because JVG didn't give him more minutes, it'll be because he didn't try his best and gave up.
He won't be jack sh*t until he finds a jump shot. If he can do that, and get a handle on the turnovers (that should come with time) then he could be a quality starter. However, I don't think he'll ever find a jumpshot. His form and release look pretty terrible and you don't normally see NBA players make drastic changes in that area. I could have voted anywhere from poor to quality starter, but I was feeling conservative and pessimistic, so I chose "poor, end of bench player".
I think VSpan could be a marginal all-star player, given the opptunity to play, which we know is not likely happen under JVG. This guy has talent and much more potential than Head, JL3. I just don't understand why JVG put JL3 ahead of VSpan. Could VSpan be worse? I don't think so. If you have watched his plays last summer, you'll see what I see: this guy is strong, quick, could penetrate, shoot, assist, almost everything you can ask for a PG. It took 4 years for Yao to become a dominant Center, and 1 year for Head to become a good 3pt shooter. You don't develop a player by playing him only 2 minutes every game, do you? I feel so sorry for VSpan that he was just wasted on the bench.
Very true. People kept making excuses for him saying he's not a 3 point shooter but it's not just his 3pt shot, it is his shot in general. If V-Span is not making jumpers now with his bad form, like Shawn Marion, his shot won't be improving much. He will be a High 30%-Low 40% shooter for his career, but he'll be doing most of his scoring off penetration.
