I agree, but in order to really be an offensive threat, he needs to at least be a decent three point shooter. That way, defenses at least have to respect that and not just drop back waiting for him to drive or "stop and pop". Coming off screens will be productive with a good mid-range game, but to be an effective 1 I think he needs to develop a three point shot. Could come over time, as he hasn't had to shoot from that far in Greece.
Thank you for your honest opinion, and I am gonna tell my wife that I am hot, in case she forgot ! DD
Interesting, why do you say that? Do you just think that he is not good enough, or too slow, or will never be able to shoot? Thanks, DD
Ouch, really? You think that is all he will become? I think he is already a far better shooter than Avery was, and his passing is miles better, at least his vision and creativity. Avery did win a championship by playing a similar offense, but Pop allowed him to work in his comfort zone the mid range game. I wish the Rockets would do the same for some of their players, we live and die by the 3 ball too much. Sam Cassel in his rookie year had a good mid range game and it added another dimension to the team, he could shoot the 3 a bit, but only 29% his rookie year. I would like to see V-span at the PG position and told to work the cracks...see what he could do..... DD
a question for dadakota How can you be so optimistic about a player who is not even CLOSE to being ready, and be so negative about a coach that players over acheive for? I'm seriously trying to figure out your reasoning. Are you a person who just roots for the underdog (nothing wrong with that, and it was a great cartoon when i was a kid)? At this point, I dont think you complain to just complain. If so, you would really be complaining about spanoullis, because he is not very good right now. I repeat, you are rooting for someone who is not good. On the flip side, you call for the head of a coach who IS good. You bash him every time you can. Dont get me wrong. I'm not saying he is a perfect coach, after all, we all have imperfections; BUT, He's a great coach and motivator. With that being said....What is your TRUE issue with the Rockets? It's something much deeper than being a pessimist, an antagonistic poster, and a hater of van gundy. You have something inbedded inside of you that spews negativity. Maybe you were a latchkey child, and your parents didnt spend enough time with you. Maybe you were bullied in school. Maybe you are a weak person in reality, but on the internet you feel like you are Thor!!!! What I'm saying to you is.... May God bless you. You dont know any better. LOL
what will Vspan become?? well, first of all, lets clarify something; under JVG, he wont "become" anything.. nothing against JVG, but that's the truth.. but back to theoretical stuff, I would assume that given the minutes and opportunity to play, he could turn into an average player who can be a good spark off the bench..
I think my posts about JVG get misinterpeted, I have said many times I think he is a good coach, but I ultimately think his lack of creativity and his lack of ability to make timely adjustments will hurt the team, and I want the team to win it all, not just have a good year. I do like underdogs, but that is not a driving force with this argument. Hmmmm, an interesting take, I have said time and time again that his shot has looked horrid, but I also have seen enough games of him where I believe he is being misused, and playing out of position and his comfort zone....which is the midrange game. I think JVG is a good coach, but I think his schtick wears thin after a time, and that his lack of creativity will ultimately cause the team to fall short and we have a short window to try to win with Tmac and Yao. I would like a coach like Popovich who is like JVG only also knows how important it is to develop players to reach the highest level - ala Parker, & Ginobli. I love the Rockets and want them to be the world champions, anything less is failure. I don't hate JVG - I just think he is flawed and those flaws will ultimately stop the team from winning it all... Or maybe I am a super acheiver in life who expects the same for my other passions......just for clarification, I am 42 and have been retired for a year now......but am contemplating starting another business.....soon. Is there a god? And please try to stick to the topic at hand and not make this about me....... I almost didn't answer your post but I figured others would follow suite so.... DD
For the minutes he has played, you can already judge he is not even close to play at NBA level? So who made this dumb decision of signing him for three-year contract? Why not just promote JVG to the GM to solve the problem?
i'd agree. he has the natural ability to be a quality player, but i doubt he'll ever be a great one. i'd say his ceiling is close to tony parkerish, though with a diff style game of course.
You really believe this? That in limited minutes he has shown he was not NBA ready? What about the game where he was all over Gilbert Arenas and JVG could not praise him enough? I guess I fall in the "he has not proven one way or the other" camp, especially since he has been played at SG when his natural position is PG. Also, I appreciate those of you who are peeved at my posts of late having the courtesy and the stones to come in and post in this thread. It will be interesting to see if other people who are critical of V-Span will be willing to vote....(Ehem...paging Sam Fisher)... DD
I think you missed my point here. His strength is high pick-roll and drive to the basket or dish it out. He is very good at doing this. Not good as TMac but certainly better than Rafer and Lucas. Yeah he is not a 3pt shooter nor will he ever be. But it doesnt mean he wont be a very good player in this league. His one-on-one defense is very food and he has the speed and strength to shut down any PG in this league.
Ah, sorry, I misinterpeted your point......I get that a lot from others too. I agree, he is great at the PNR at the top of the key, that is how the Greek team destroyed the US team at the world championships. The only players good at the flip side of the roll are Yao, Battier and Hayes..... I would like to see the Rockets play their best basketball IQ guys at one time and run the PnR too see what they got. Tmac V-Span Battier Hayes Yao Undersized but not so much against a lot of the league as many don't play a true PF anymore. DD
I'd be happy if he became a solid contributor at this point. Forget starting. I see him as a 20-25 minutes a game kind of guy.
I think V-Span's ceiling is Bob Sura (without the hops he had earlier in his career). I think he can be a solid rotation player in a few years. The Tony Parker comparisons are just silly. Parker might be the fastest player in the NBA.
i do not understand why ppl insist on our pg HAS TO be a good 3 pt shooetr. parker is not, but he's pretty good playing with td jkidd is not, but most ppl here seems think he's the perfect pg for yao. another point, you do not HAVE TO take a wide open 3 if you are a very bad 3 pt shooter or you are very cold (0-9). because if you are, there's no difference between your shooting a 3 and deke or yao shooting a 3. that's a reason why other teams let YOU AND YAO/DEKE open at 3 all the time.
