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Uvalde cops

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by LosPollosHermanos, May 26, 2022.

  1. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Contributing Member

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    cops never tried to open the door.

    doors were impossible to lock from the inside.



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    You have to be sh*tting me

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    Uvalde city officials are using a legal loopholeand several other broad exemptions in Texas to prevent the release of police records related to last month's mass shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead, according to a letter obtained by NPR in response to public information requests filed by member station Texas Public Radio.

    Since the May 24 shooting at Robb Elementary School, law enforcement officials have provided little and conflicting information, amid mounting public pressure for transparency. The Texas Department of Public Safety, which is leading the state investigation, previously said that some accounts of the events were preliminary and may change as more witnesses are interviewed.

    The City of Uvalde has hired a private law firm to make its case, which cited the "dead suspect loophole," to deny the release of information because the gunman died in police custody. The legal exception bars the public disclosure of information pertaining to crimes in which no one has been convicted. The Texas Attorney General's Office has ruled that the exception applies when a suspect is dead.

    The maneuver has been used repeatedly by Texas law enforcement agencies to claim they're not required to turn over the requested information because a criminal case is still pending, even though the suspect is dead.

    The loophole was established in the 1990s to protect people who were wrongfully accused or whose cases were dismissed, said Kelley Shannon, executive director of the Freedom of Information Foundation of Texas.

    "It is meant to protect the innocent," Shannon said, but in some cases "it is being used and misused in a way that was never intended."

    In the obtained letter, dated June 16, the city of Uvalde's lawyer asks Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton to rule on which public records the city is required to release, a common practice in the state.

    "The City has not voluntarily released any information to a member of the public," Cynthia Trevino, a lawyer for the firm Denton Navarro Rocha Bernal & Zech, wrote to Paxton.

    Among the 148 public records requests Trevino said the city has received, reporters are pressing for the disclosure of body camera footage, 911 calls, criminal records, emails and text messages and other information.

    The city and its police department are arguing against the release of the requested records, citing the following reasons: the city is being sued, some individuals' criminal history records could include "highly embarrassing information"; some of the information could reveal police "methods, techniques, and strategies for preventing and predicting crime," could cause "emotional/mental distress," "is not of legitimate concern to the public," could subject city employees or officers to "a substantial threat of physical harm," and violates individuals' common-law right to privacy. City officials have also refused to release more details, reasoning that it would interfere with the ongoing investigation by the Texas Department of Public Safety, Uvalde County's district attorney and the FBI.
     
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    Given what is already known.... how bad must the details be such that they won't release the public records. PUBLIC RECORDS ffs.
     
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    Cops are just another gang lol. Meanwhile people want to arm ubderpaid teachers instead of admitting every and any mad man can kill you if he wants.

    If your fed/state govt doesnt have a monopoly on violence...you live in a failed state
     
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    At least one cop wanted to go in, but the Chief wouldn't give the order.

     
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    It's almost certainly worse than anyone can imagine. I never even question the media reports the door was locked.

    Secondly, the emotional impact seeing a reasonable cop say "We need to go in, there are kids in there" and being shut down will be huge.
     
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    People keep saying (the ones defending the cops) “we need to know the whole facts how did we know”

    the point is as cops, waiting an hr outside a classroom against a teen whose sole goal is as much damage as possible, is indefensible

    you don’t get to pull the full facts argument . It smelled rotten from the beginning
     
  11. Rocket River

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    If they charge the room . . and 12 died instead of 19
    While that is better . . .. no one would know that waiting would kill 19
    BUT THAT SAID . .. . The Criticism and second guessing is part of the jobs

    I also think people will always give action the benefit of the doubt over inaction

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    Guy in room with elementary school kids with the sole goal of shooting as many

    yea I think it’s well known and why all guidelines say rush the shooter
     
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    I do not Disagree
    I think the Cops were cowardly on two fronts
    One on rushing the room
    Two on accepting the consequences of the action

    They tried to play it safe and people died

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    Uvalde cops are getting routed by DPS


    The officers had weapons; the children had none,” McCraw said. “The officers had body armor; the children had none. The officers had training; the subject had none. One hour, 14 minutes and 8 seconds. That’s how long children waited, and the teachers waited, in Room 111 to be rescued.”

    “I don’t mean to be hyper-critical of the on-scene commander,” McCraw said. “But those are the facts… this set our profession back a decade.”

    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/21/texas-dps-mccraw-uvalde-school-shooting/
     
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    They need to find out whoever this particular ¢unt is and at the very least make him no longer cop in Texas. Preferably criminal charges. :

    “Whoever is in charge will determine that,” came the reply.






    Texas Department of Public Safety, had arrived around 20 minutes after the shooting started. He immediately asked: Are there still kids in the classrooms?


    “If there is, then they just need to go in,” the agent said.

    Another officer answered, “It is unknown at this time.”

    The agent shot back, “Y’all don’t know if there’s kids in there?” He added, “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there.”

    “Whoever is in charge will determine that,” came the reply.

    The inaction appeared too much for the special agent. He noted that there were still children in other classrooms within the school who needed to be evacuated.

    “Well, there’s kids over here,” he said. “So I’m getting kids out.”

    The exchange happened early in the excruciating 77 minutes on May 24






     
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    At what point do u disregard incompetent orders and just do your job?
     
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    Agreed, hindsight is always easier but I would have hoped one of the cops said "screw this" and went in. It appears he can see that there are kids in there and whoever he is talking to doesn't see what he sees and is waiting for the "person in charge", which I believe we were told didn't have a radio on him. They need to come out and be frank about what happened, if we/they don't learn from this cluster f*** then there not doing there job
     
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    As the case of the other LEO who were with Derek Chauvin is showing that following orders that go against procedure or are considered unlawful is no excuse and you can be liable even if a superior orders you .

    This case is obviously different than what happened to George Floyd as it's non-action rather than action but the principle is there that LEO not only don't have to follow wrongful order they could be charged if they do.
     
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    I still don't understand the timeline. Weren't kids being shot the whole time? Didn't some call 911 from inside the room and then get shot? I would think if you're the police and standing outside the classroom door and someone fires a gun inside the classroom, you could hear it, no? Why was there a question as to whether kids were inside?
     
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    These lying sacks of **** had everything but a tank in there.

    Vest, rifles, shields, intel, numbers...
     
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