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UT's recruiting summary, 12/4

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by chievous minniefield, Dec 4, 2001.

  1. DVauthrin

    DVauthrin Member

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    im thankful to have a coach of mack browns caliber

    Im sorry, but i agree with haven on this one. CFB championships are as much won in recruiting wars nowadays than on the field and personally its more important to have an awesome recruiter than a good game day coach. Of course both would be nice. We will get ours in time. But ill have to say about this class is if vincent young comes wow, plus our talent level is scary. Let me explain if you have avg talent a great coach may be lucky to get a 9-2 yr, but if you have all american talent everywhere and an above avg gameday coach(not great), you can go 12-0 etc, you have to have a bit of both to win a NC but if i had to choose i think the talent is a bit more important

    Im proud to support the UT tradition and athletic programs and this only strengthens my belief, plus dont forget what barnes is doing in bball getting ford and buckman next yr are big time steps.
     
  2. Desert Scar

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    No one has said Mack can't recruit or hasn't produced good teams. But then so did John Cooper, Fred Akers, and so did the Portland Trail Blazers in the 90s. Why settle? It is not like you HAVE to choose between being a great recruiter or having great on the field coaches--Bowden, Spurior, Stoops, & Jimmie J are testaments to this? If you are a great recruter but challenged in other ways, get someone with x & o talent to develop the game plans and someone with a good feel for the game to make adjustments/call plays. If Texas' hand not been inferior to CU and OU in those latter departments, we would be in the Rose Bowl. Mack is the leader, he should fix the problem whether it is with him (delate more game responsibilities) or other staff.
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    I am very happy that UT is recruiting such great players. I strongly believe , however, that UT could field a team of NFL Hall of Famers, but as long as Mack Brown is their head coach, they will always beat up on mediocre teams while losing to good teams and losing in bowl games. Mack Brown is a great recruiter, but he has yet to prove that he is anything but a mediocre football coach.
     
  4. Cohen

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    We'll win handily this year. Our boys almost came back from a severe deficit against Colorado once we put in a quarterback who could handle the pressure.
    It is not easy to anticipate how someone will function under pressure, and probably more difficult to determine when to 'demote' a team leader and the ramifications that will have on the player and team both.

    If Major cannot make it happen in San Diego, then I will reconsider.
     
  5. haven

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    Personally, I don't think Bowden has been a good gameday coach in my college football watching lifetime. Maybe he was before I cared enough to watch. FSU's strategy seems prosaic... they just have so many good players it doesn't matter sometimes.

    Spurrier's probably the best combination of playcalling and recruiting I've ever seen...

    but how many titles has he won? One. In how many years? Lots.

    Give Mack some time.
     
  6. gr8-1

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    What Mack needs is a good X + O guy. Spurrier has won one more MNC than him and Bowden has won 3 more. Mack, he's , just an anomoally. Just a real nice guy. If he weren't so nice, GD would have been fired and Chris would have been benched 6 games ago.

    As for why he lost hope on Major, maybe he thought of the KSU, NU, NC St. games of the past?? I don't know, but htose games have haunted him.
     
  7. gr8-1

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    Mack's 4 year run is the best 4 year run UT has had since 61-64.
     
  8. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I'd say that the 4 year run from 1968-1971 would be a little better since there were two national championships in there (I know you're referring to record-wise).

    What, you mean the two NU games he won, and the 3 blocked punts Major gave up? :confused:
     
  9. Desert Scar

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    I'll bet Fred Akers had 1 or 2 negligibly worse 4 years runs as well.
     
  10. Cohen

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    You mean Akers/McWilliams? Or would that be McWilliams/Akers?
     
  11. gr8-1

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    R95, let the record show that I am on Major's side now. But, Major was villified for his 5 TO loss to KSU. But, in hindsight, that UT team isn't near as talented as the current one. Major should have and should be starting. No doubt about it.
     
  12. Smokey

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    Some guy at HornFans says he has inside info from Evangel. He says he heard Texas is on Brock Berlin's list of schools. Spurrier made it clear that as long as Grossman is at UF, Grossman will be the starting QB. Grossman could declare after next season of course, but that would leave Berlin with only one year as the starting QB. Berlin could redshirt in 2002 or he could transfer and also sit out 2002.

    The odds of Spurrier releasing Berlin to Texas is slim to none, but Spurrier owes Berlin a favor for not redshirting him last year. If Berlin is looking at a Texas school, why not UT?

    The chance of Spurrier releasing Berlin to an SEC school is even less. The backup QB at OU is also an Evangel grad, so Berlin won't go there.

    Leach recruited Berlin for Kentucky so Berlin could end up at Tech. I don't know why he would want to play for Tech though. OU and UT are just at another level in the South. Berlin won't make that big of an impact there.

    And if Berlin does transfer to Texas, where does that leave Mock, Nordgren, Malone, and V. Young (if he commits)? Young wants to play QB, and I doubt will take a redshirt year.

    I see:

    2002 QB's:
    Simms - SR
    Mock - SO
    Nordgren - FR
    Malone - (redshirt)
    V. Young - (redshirt)?
    Berlin - transfer
     
  13. chievous minniefield

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    an update. . .

    things continue to look mint for the Horns.

    rodrique wright, the #1 DT in the nation, committed to UT today.

    albert hardy, the #4 FB in the nation, seems ready to commit tomorrow.

    marco martin, the #4 DT in the nation, has Texas listed as his only high interest school.

    larry dibbles, #10 DE in the nation, seems almost ready to commit to Texas.

    AND. . .

    as of yesterday, Vincent Young [no further info needed] names the following schools as his top 3:

    Texas, miami, arkansas

    with The University as his acknowledged leader.

    HOOK THEM, mack.
     
  14. Rocketman95

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    Woofreakinhoo.

    I still predict 8-4 next year.
     
  15. DVauthrin

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    dont make me hurt you rm95, because i like you and am a nice guy ;)
     
  16. chievous minniefield

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    this also just in:

    Rocketman95 has committed to hold gary barnett's headset at Colorado for next year!
     
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  17. Rocketman95

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    I'd sign up if it was just down the street at Royal Memorial Stadium.

    I've said it many times and I'll say it again. If Colorado beats Oregon, Gary Barnett will have just as many wins over top 5 teams in a little over a month as Mack Brown has over top 10 teams <b>EVER</B>.
     
  18. chievous minniefield

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    were you a Texas fan before mack brown was the coach?
     
  19. Rocketman95

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    Yup, and I know what you're going to say...he's better than Mackovic.
     
  20. RocketMan Tex

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    What do I think?

    Unfortunately, I think it will be more wasted talent, as long as Mack Brown is the head coach.

    I will continue to believe this until Mack Brown proves he is more than just a great recruiter. I'm still waiting.
     

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