I go to sleep and all this hubbub breaks out. My bad guys, I didn't realize Phoenix had the same record as us. It seems that if Kim's right then there's no possibility that exists for us to play Phoenix. If San Antonio wins (and Phoenix and Houston) then there's no 4-way tie and we play Utah as the 5 seed with home court. If Utah wins (and Phoenix and Houston) then we play...Utah without home court?! Correct me if I'm wrong, does that mean we're locked to play Utah so long as we and Phoenix beat the Clipps?
I posted this in the magic number thread. Seems like the way to break all this 4 way and 5 way tie talk.
Well we got what we wanted. The Jazz and it seems like we are locked into play them no matter what. A repeat of last year. Hope T-Mac wakes up.
To make things clear if both PHX and Houston win wednesday it will come down at this. San Antonio win over the jazz then seeds will be: 3 SA, 4 Utah, 5 HOU, 6 PHX. If SA loose then it will be 3 Utah, 4 HOU, 5 PHX and 6 SA.
Maybe we're wrong. However, I have a feeling that they are still not applying the top 4 rules to this, instead treating the three team tie break in a vacuum (or like it would have been 3 years ago before the stupid top 4 rules came into effect). I think we'll see a clarification by the league over the next 48 hours. Uh...about that seeding we told you, Houston actually opens on the road in Utah. Our bad. Please let me be wrong.
There are still enough different outcomes available right now that I don't expect a statement from the NBA until after Wednesday's games. We won't get official clarification on the 4-way tie unless there is in fact a 4-way tie. But Siler, after talking to somebody in the NBA offices, decided to factor in games against Utah into determining who got into the top 4. I wouldn't be surprised if Feigen made a similar mistake. They haven't been following this as closely as you have. It all comes down to if the 3-team tiebreaker carries over to determining the #5 and #6 seed as well as who gets into the top 4. I don't see anything that indicates that to be the case. I've seen a few things that would seem to indicate that after determining the Bottom 4, they would then seed them which would mean a NEW tiebreaker between us and San Antonio.
first, i won't mind you have suspicious on what media wrote. it's right thing to do. but you have to quote anything from the report correctly. NBA spokesman Tim Frank confirmed only one case to Sila and Feigen. it is not someone w/o name. 2nd, Tim confirmed one case only. Sila didn't say whether other possibilies have been confirmed or not. The case is if all three, jazz, rox, and suns, win with the condition of lakers and hornets taking top 2 seeds, the seeding is jazz-#3, suns-#4, rox-#5, and spurs #6. just based on this case, you can see clearly how the tiebreak rules are used. the division winner tiebreak rule removes jazz out of comparision among other teams, rox, spurs, and suns. it leaves 3-way tie. now the division winner tiebreak rule is not applicable anymore. we have to use total head to head winning % among 3 teams to determine the order. suns has the best 5:3 followed by rox with 4:4. spurs has the worst 3:5. as other posters wrote, upper 4 seeds and lower 4 seeds are reordered, rox would be @ #6 due to worse division record than spurs. clearly, there is no last 4 reorder rule. the first 4 are going to be reordered if needed. a non-division winner among top 4 could have better record than one or two division winners. all tiebreak rules but division winner tiebreak rule also apply here.
To be honest, Rockets will end up with either Jazz or SA, homecourt against Jazz gives them about 20% chance, without homecourt versus SA gives them none. I love the 22 streak and all, but I don't see Rockets beating any of these two...
I think we have a better chance against the Spurs - a defensive team who goes thru scoring droughts. The Jazz have too many scorers and energy guys; plus, I hate their home crowd, coach, players, etc. They have our number, while we've been getting the better of SA the last few years.
why would we end up with spurs? what the chance we will face spurs in playoff? there are many scenarios. however, some possibilities have little chance to be materialized. suns, jazz, spurs, and rox, none of them want to tank the last game on wed coz a loss may very well hurt their HCA. all 4 teams will play their best to hope other teams loss for their gain. since suns and rox play @ home against non-playoff bound teams. The chance for them to win the game is very high. When bet in Las Vagas, I don't think you will bet on suns and rox loss. here we can say rox and suns are going to win. in this case, no matter who wins the game btw jazz and spurs, rox will not face spurs for sure.
I just thought I'd bump this to say that I was right, and Kim was wrong. http://www.nba.com/news/playoff_scenarios_080416.html
Why is everyone arguing when the NBA has posted what the scenarios are for tonight? (EDIT: Checked the time of the posts above me and didn't see this was posted directly above me. I'm dumb) http://www.nba.com/news/playoff_scenarios_080416.html NBA Playoff Seeding Scenarios Posted Apr 16 2008 12:27PM April 16 - Here are the playoff scenarios for the Western Conference entering the final night of the regular season. A. HOUSTON-PHOENIX-UTAH-SAN ANTONIO (Seeds 3 to 6) (Higher Seeded team has homecourt in first round unless otherwise indicated) 1. If Houston and San Antonio win: 3-San Antonio 4-Utah 5-Houston (homecourt) 6-Phoenix 2. If Houston, Utah and Phoenix win: 3-Utah 4-Phoenix 5-Houston (homecourt) 6-San Antonio 3. If Utah wins and Phoenix loses: 3-Utah 4-San Antonio 5-Houston 6-Phoenix 4. If San Antonio and Phoenix wins and Houston loses: 3-San Antonio 4-Utah 5-Phoenix (homecourt) 6-Houston 5. If San Antonio wins and Houston and Phoenix lose: 3-San Antonio 4-Utah 5-Houston 6-Phoenix 6. If Utah and Phoenix wins and Houston loses: 3-Utah 4-Phoenix 5-San Antonio 6-Houston B. DALLAS-DENVER (Seeds 7 to 8) 1. If Dallas wins or Denver loses: 7-Dallas 8-Denver 2. If Denver wins AND Dallas loses: 7-Denver 8-Dallas
I wonder if NO would prefer to play Dallas over Denver or vice versa.....looks like they can decide their own fate tonite @ Dallas....
So if we lose tonight, we are guaranteed to lose home court. If we win, we are almost guaranteed to secure home court.
according to the nba's view of the situation, 4 out of 8 scenarios have us playing the jazz, 3 the spurs, and 1 the suns. since i think we'll lose no matter who we play, i really want the spurs and suns to meet in round 1. seeing one of those teams go home early would be greatness. if we win and the spurs win, that happens. if we lose, then the suns and spurs have to have opposite results for them to face in the first round. unfortunately, with us probably beating the clippers, i'm not sure how likely it is that SA actually beats utah tonight, 21 game winning streak against utah in san antonio notwithstanding.
I don't have an opinion either way, but you think they are losing this game on purpose? You think Sloan told his starters to dog it?
