Big 12 needs to be patient here. There is almost no chance the PAC lands a TV deal at this point that does anything but send everyone running for the exits. The clock is ticking and time is on the Big 12's side. All they have to do is wait out the PAC and they will have their choice of the best PAC properties. It may delay becoming a 14 team league until 2025, but you can't kick a team out once they're in. UConn will be ready when and if the PAC somehow pulls off a miracle and manages to not implode.
Prediction time. I think Arizona jumps before the beginning of the season. I think Washington and Oregon end up coming in 2025 (no idea when it's announced). I think the PAC absorbs CSU, SMU, SDSU, Boise, Air Force and Fresno. Cal Berkley drops football or goes to D3. Stanford goes independent. Washington and Oregon end up in the B1G in 2030. Arizona State and Utah end up in the Big 12 after they leave.
Oh for sure. My #1 want is AZ. If we can rent Oregon and Washington for a bit that's fine too. Utah, ASU, SDSU are all in another bucket -- good if they come, not gonna lose sleep if they don't. UConn last resort for 14. After that, close up shop.
Baylor and UH fans (reminder I went to UH for law school and grew up rooting for Phi Slamma Jamma) united!!!!!!!!!!! So glad it’s all connected now. And every thing you post here is about strength of conference. I’m not yet at the point where I’d be stupid enough to chant BIG12 like SEC folks do, but I will absolutely root for every single Big 12 team now in a way I never have before. Let’s **** ‘em up!
It is a VERY foreign feeling to be apart of conference realignment and NOT sweating my balls off about it.
Me too I am so used to us being left in college sports Siberia being in a good place is hard to believe its actually true.
No memphis! that's all i ask pls UH should make an effort to play them in bb, but let them rot in the aac-usa
Brett McMurphy was on 365 sports recently and said something to the effect that the Big 12 will be a 14 team league come 2024, but that it may not happen until literally the end of the year. It's either *insert PAC school here* (AZ!), SDSU, or UConn. Who #14 is will greatly affect if and who #15 and #16 are.
Utah makes sense from a football perspective but Arizona does from a basketball one. Some of these Pac12 schools though you can see why the conference is in the shape its in. They're all just kinda apathetic assuming nothing is ever going to happen to them. Kinda like the people that live on the West Coast.
It's not about who is best in what sports. It's about best brands and biggest untapped markets. Arizona the state has nearly double the population of Utah and you already have market penetration in Utah with BYU. It's an easy call to make. Colorado has been awful in nearly everything for almost 20 years, but they're still a valuable brand and Denver is a sizable market the Big 12 has little presence in. Also a no brainer. The PAC is a dead conference walking. The only question is will it die this year or in 2030. A lot of that depends on if and when Arizona decides to leave.
I really wonder what Oregon is doing they seem to think that eventually the Big 10 will come after them too.
Sounds like Arizona is calling the PAC12’s bluff. Show us the numbers you’ve presented or we walk….maybe we walk anyway if the numbers aren’t good enough. Sounds like either way, they’re out the door. Same song and dance as Colorado.
I went to CU during the transition (08-12), so 2 years in the Big 12, 2 years in the Pac 12. What I preferred about the Pac 12 then, and still, is the regionality. Most Coloradans associate themselves way more with Washington, Oregon, and California than anywhere in the Big 12. Seattle, Portland, Denver obviously have a lot of overlapping cultural identities (and overlapping transplants). Our Alumni base and major feeder state is California - our money comes from there. Colorado is a way different state than it was 30 years ago. We honestly felt, basically nothing towards the schools that remain from the Big 12 that we left (maybe some affinity for Kansas). It's not about poo-poo-ing the flyover conference, its just something we don't personally associate with. I imagine West Virginia fans have similar feelings about playing in the Big 12, in a lot of places that have little relevance to them. In fact, if Nebraska was still there, I would be more inclined to be excited about this. That is the only "rivalry" that still exists from those days. We still travel to those games, both sides do, and they are a great time. But Nebraska does have some kind of presence in the state that can't be said about the rest of the conference. Positives I can take away? - I'm a Houston native, and I've always liked the Coogs, they are the closest thing I'd consider to a "2nd team" for me, despite not being an alum. Seeing them more often will be nice. But that really only applies to me lol. Recruiting could potentially be improved a lot. Not just Coach Prime, but Boulder and Folsom Field will sell itself comparatively to the rest of the conference. No team in the Big 12 can rival the beauty of playing football with the backdrop of the Flatirons. Negatives - other than those I've already mentioned? - I'm worried about the basketball team. We've low key been a good program since joining the Pac. One losing season since Tad Boyle took over in 2010. Ten 20+ win seasons in that stretch I think? Actual NBA talent has been produced over that period. We had a shot at the tourney every single year in the Pac, probably won't be the case in the Big 12 (although I think we'll be a lot more competitive than many of y'all will expect). Also, not to be a dick, but there is a certain prestige in playing the likes of UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, etc. Calling those schools our peers was something we liked, and it will be an adjustment. This is just my honest opinion and perspective. Not trying to piss off any Big12 people, just stating how I personally feel about the whole process. I'm still excited AF to have Coach Prime, its the biggest thing our program has done in decades and hope things work out on the football end at the very least. Also would love for at least another Pac member to join us. Gonna try to make it to the CU/TCU opener since I'll happen to be in the area that weekend. Cool attitude bruh All gapers stick to Keystone, please.
LOL no, I don't ski anymore. I've got plenty of other things to do around there. I haven't liked yall's sports program since the Promise Keeper ran the whole show back in the 80-90's. I should give you guys a second chance. eta: and you know what, you feel about the Big12 pretty much exactly how I feel about the SEC. In a perfecter world I would have loved UT/OU to head to the Big10 instead, along with USC/UCLA/WA/AZ/CO/Oregon
This is a lot of what I've heard from CU folks my generation and younger. The boomers are more into the great plains while the younger set are all about the PNW and the Bay/LA. The way I'd look at is like this... you had to make a business decision. You grab the bag and play on ESPN in front of folks from Florida, Texas, and Ohio. The three best FB recruiting states in the country. I don't mean to throw shade, but the writing is on the wall for the PAC. Superman is not coming to save them. They will be millions of dollars behind the Big 12 and have only a fraction of the linear TV exposure. Even if George Kostanzakoff somehow pulled a rabbit out of his hat, the B1G deathstar is charging up its deathray for 2030. The Buffaloes were smart to undertake the change and not have the change undertake them.
