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USSC decisions

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 15, 2020.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    If you read it, you'll see that they actually disagree with the ruling but agree with the result.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Left-wing extremists will try to assassinate conservative USSC justices. I am calling it right now.
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I don't think the affirmative action ruling will have much impact - you can just base it on socio-economics and get nearly the same racial make-up. But hilarious they allow legacy admissions (mostly whites) in.

    The student loan one though I think hurts a lot of young people who got hit hard by COVID. All just to give Biden a defeat on a signature campaign issue. Hurt people but hey, our team wins! Never mind they gave handouts to rich people of billions of dollars and had no problem with that.
     
  4. Os Trigonum

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    I read it, what's your point? Your original statement was that the 2007 HEROES Act was an appropriate place for Biden to justify his policy of loan forgiveness. I argued, and the Court argued, and WaPo argues, and Nancy Pelosi argues, and others argue, that the HEROES Act was NOT an appropriate place for Biden to ground his policy:

    In August 2022, the Biden administration decreed $379 billion worth of debt forgiveness for 43 million student borrowers, based on its interpretation of a 20-year-old statute clearly intended to authorize only more selective and limited relief. On Friday, a 6-3 majority of the Supreme Court agreed with Missouri that this interpretation was too creative and must be voided,

     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    But not when the court was looking for that opportunity to rule the way they did. Talk about activist courts…

     
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  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You skipped this part, "though to decide the case, the court resorted to creative interpretation of its own — regarding the state’s standing to sue. In this contest between the imperial executive and the imperial judiciary"

    It admits that the SCOTUS should never had heard the case - Missouri didn't have standing to sue.
     
  7. Os Trigonum

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    that's a separate issue from the HEROES Act
     
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    This is accurate. In fact they’ve already tried. Google Nicholas Roske after the abortion ruling.
     
  9. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    How can anyone argue that affirmative action in college admissions is NOT racist? People are literally using skin color to make decisions and provide clear advantages to some races and disadvantages to other races. It's the very definition of racism.

    Good news: Now this form of racism is over.


    (also AA didn't work for decades -- might be time to readjust)
     
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  10. dmoneybangbang

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    On the one hand, I do agree about restoring more power back to the legislative branch in the face of rising executive orders/work arounds from multiple administrations.

    On the other hand, the religious jim crow nonsense is very concerning.
     
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    If you're gonna make it legal to discriminate against gays then you might as well just get rid of the whole protected class thing altogether. Dumb charade.
     
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  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, you should get rid of the whole protected class thing altogether. In fact, just scrap the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in toto.
     
  14. Ubiquitin

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    That's their goal. Re-segregate society.
     
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  15. Ubiquitin

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    Affirmative action was implemented because society as a whole was anti-Black as a policy until the 1960s. Affirmative action was not just so black kids could get into Harvard Yale and Princeton. It is the deliberate recruitment and retention of underrepresented populations for higher education and industry who have historically been adversely affected by both legal and social discrimination on the basis of their skin color.

    Let me Bing that for you:

    Affirmative action is a term that refers to policies and practices that aim to improve opportunities for groups that have been historically discriminated or underrepresented in areas such as education, employment, and government contracts. Affirmative action can take different forms depending on the context and the country, such as quotas, preferences, or targeted outreach.

    Affirmative action was initiated in the United States by President Lyndon Johnson in the 1960s to address the effects of racial segregation and discrimination against African Americans. Since then, affirmative action has expanded to cover other groups such as women, Native Americans, Hispanics, and other minorities. Affirmative action has also been challenged in courts and public opinion as a form of reverse discrimination or unfair advantage.

    I hope this helps you understand what affirmative action is and why it matters. If you have any follow-up questions, please let me know.

    Source: Conversation with Bing, 7/2/2023
    (1) Affirmative action | Definition, History, & Cases | Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/topic/affirmative-action.
    (2) Affirmative action - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action.
     
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  16. El_Conquistador

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    Affirmative action is racist and is now prohibited by law in University admissions. It previously gave advantages to some based on race, which is the very definition of racism. Using racism in admissions is totally unfair to people who work hard and are responsible and therefore achieve good grades... who then are bypassed because their skin color doesn't match someone's desired goal. Asians are the most harmed, and it was Asians who brought the case.

    Every race globally has had to overcome adversity. Every race has been a slave at some point. The best way to overcome adversity is not to have your hand out asking for charity. The best way to overcome adversity is to work even harder to achieve a higher target. Use the historical wrongs as motivation -- use it to create an advantage over others who do not have as much motivation. That's what's best for society. Also, a fundamental review of culture and family values needs to take place to really fix the problems in selected communities... but that would involve taking personal accountability for one's actions, which is the last thing Democrats are ever willing to do.

    Be accountable. Work hard. Acquire motivation. No more excuses. Look inward and don't blame others. No more handouts. Raise the bar to achieve more. Overcome adversity.
     
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  17. Ubiquitin

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    Noble words. Hollow and lacking any historical context, but noble.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

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    Actually the opposite of what you say is true. Hard work, personal accountability, and the elimination of excuses have been a winning formula throughout history for overcoming adversity.

    Perhaps you have heard the adage, “two wrongs don’t make a right”? Solving historical racism with more racism in the other direction is just that — two wrongs. But the good news is that now it’s illegal.
     
  19. Ubiquitin

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    The only real change you will see is major universities spending less on their minority affairs sections because as you said why spend money on something that may be deemed illegal.

    There will be winners and losers from this, and the winners wont be URMs.
     
  20. StupidMoniker

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    Segregation was a government enforced legal regime. I am talking about freedom of association.
     

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